Intel getting into the gfx industry

[Inxile]

i dunno if any of you heard intel is getting into the gfx chip making.

wondering what everyone thinks

i think this will be a good thing, it will bring more compeition to the industry, thus good for consumer's via pricing, quality, choice, etc

i believe the chip is called "larabee" or something, supposed to be out 2009-2010 sometime, i read a small article on it, so i dunno much about it all.

[LaEnana]

I think that I can't wait for commercials with clean suit guys and hot chicks working on engines.

The more important question is what gimmicky new thing will they think up for the gfx card commercials

[Inxile]

lol tbh i've never seena commerical on the tv radio etc for gfx cards....

maybe i don't watch enough tv

[LaEnana]

thats the point. If intel hasnt made them yet how could there be commercials for them?

I was alluding to the old intel commercials.

[CharlieM]

Bring on ray tracing!

[Damascus]

Pft ray tracing. It's too artificial. Global illumination, caustics and final gathering in real time imo. Improved ambient occlusion too...and higher res maps so normals can make me harder.

[Monroe]

Whhy would Intel get into gfx industry? They have no expertise there, and AMD has lost money on ATI ever since they purchased it.

[mono]

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjYzOA

[damme]

Intel is already the biggest gfx chip seller on the market :rolleyes:

[Inxile]

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjYzOA

interesting

[Inxile]

Whhy would Intel get into gfx industry? They have no expertise there, and AMD has lost money on ATI ever since they purchased it.

the micro chip company has no expertise in micro chip processing????

are you on glue?

[BLACK]

Fucking Jager bombs.

[Monroe]

the micro chip company has no expertise in micro chip processing????

are you on glue?

Graphics chips are different from processor chips

[Inxile]

Graphics chips are different from processor chips

no shit elmer, but bare bones break it down its a sillicon chip. used for different purposes

hrmmmz cpu = central processing unit.....gpu = graphic processing unit....holy shit batman their proccessing data!

just cuz intel has been doing cpu's and other chips doesn't mean they can't break into the gfx chips

what in your opinion ati's card went downhill after amd the cpu chip making company bought it?

and tbh ATI's card are now back on par and some better then nvidia's

plus i like ati driver better

[Monroe]

what in your opinion ati's card went downhill after amd the cpu chip making company bought it?


Their profit margins

[damme]

Meh AMD sucks so it's not all ATis fault. Still though, Intel have been making graphic chips forever and is the biggest actor on the market right now. Granted it haven't been high performance chips but I have no doubt they have the competence needed. And they sure have the money.

[LaEnana]

I prefer nvidia cards.I've had a couple ATI cards and although the card itself didn't suck the software and drivers and driver manager where huge. Had a lot of compatibility problems too,so I switched back to nvidia and never had problems again.

[damme]

Yea I go for nvidia only too, never had any problems with them. Same thing with Intel processors. I used to have a AMD processor but that computer was unstable and since I switched to Intel (and before my AMD one), I've never had any problems.

[LaEnana]

Ditto

Simple and good to go. Interesting if they made everything. Motherboards, gfx cards CPU and sound card. The total intel machine lol

[Archaos]

um RAM?

lol noobz

[LaEnana]

yeah ram and power sources and cases and fans and screws and wheels and buttons

[LaEnana]

and rom drives and hard drives and ether net cards and monitors and speakers and keyboards and mouses and mouse pads

ALL INTEL

ALL YOUR BASE ARE MINE

[Inxile]

Meh AMD sucks so it's not all ATis fault. Still though, Intel have been making graphic chips forever and is the biggest actor on the market right now. Granted it haven't been high performance chips but I have no doubt they have the competence needed. And they sure have the money.

ya the intel-ingrated video chip on lower end motherboard, basically like any office desktop etc have them as they have no need for a 3d gfx card.

[LaEnana]

and computer desks and chairs and carpets and external hard drives and lamps and printers and scanners and it'll all be Intel!!

[Inxile]

lmao thats the last thing you want as a consumer is one company making everything.

when you have a monopoly, their goes creativity, innovation, compeitition etc etc etc

always bad for a consumer.

thats like if the world only made ONE CAR and it was a ford pinto

[LaEnana]

It be better if it wasn't a Ford.

[WiGgLr]

Intel already competes directly with ATI/AMD and nVidia, just in other areas

AMD: cpu
ATI: chipset + 2d graphics
nVidia: chipset + 2d graphics


It makes sense to try and take more money from your competitors by encroaching more and more into their market, this time through 3D graphics chips


I'd not expect prices to come down though, as Intel has always overpriced everything they sell

[CharlieM]

Intels profit margins are around 100% on each chip.

Got a mate whos brother works in one of the fabs in Portland as a manager, can get the chips at-cost, which is a little bit less than half the advertised cost.

1k quad core will cost him like 450 bux, its pretty sweet.

Also, ray tracing is far far superior than the current vertex shaded shit we are running now, and Intel have had a team just dedicated to working on ray tracing for game app's for the past 5 years now, with some serious funding behind it. Larabee will be the last generation of gfx card chips before the CPU becomes an intergrated device doing both system processing, physics processing and graphics processing.

[Monroe]

Intels profit margins are around 100% on each chip.

Got a mate whos brother works in one of the fabs in Portland as a manager, can get the chips at-cost, which is a little bit less than half the advertised cost.

1k quad core will cost him like 450 bux, its pretty sweet.

Also, ray tracing is far far superior than the current vertex shaded shit we are running now, and Intel have had a team just dedicated to working on ray tracing for game app's for the past 5 years now, with some serious funding behind it. Larabee will be the last generation of gfx card chips before the CPU becomes an intergrated device doing both system processing, physics processing and graphics processing.

You should worry less about what intel is doing and worry more about not losing your BUSSS PASSS CHARLIE!!!!!

[mono]

Introduced in 1997, the MediaGX CPU was an x86 processor manufactured and designed by Cyrix and later after merger manufactured by National Semiconductor. The core is based on the integration of the Cyrix Cx5x86 CPU core with hardware to process video and audio output (XpressRAM, XpressGRAPHICS, XpressAUDIO). Following the buyout of Cyrix by National Semiconductor and the sale of the Cyrix name and trademarks to VIA Technologies, the core was developed by National Semiconductor into the Geode line of processors, which was subsequently sold to Advanced Micro Devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaGX

[CharlieM]

You should worry less about what intel is doing and worry more about not losing your BUSSS PASSS CHARLIE!!!!!

Fag.

[Inxile]

wait how is that 100% profit?

wouldn't that be like 50%? at cost is 50% of the price.

[BLACK]

100% means you make double what you bought it for. 50% means you made 1.5 of what you bought it for.

[Talorth]

wait how is that 100% profit?

wouldn't that be like 50%? at cost is 50% of the price.

Woot, Canadian education system at work!



But yeah. I laugh at this whole thread entirely for the fact that Intel is sending out mixed messages about "Larrabee" already with that stupid graph on cores that doesn't really explain anything, like settings used or anything of the sort...

The only thing that even seems positive and interesting about it is the use of an x86 instruction set over that of a proprietary one.

In any case, I don't think it will meet ati/nvidias GPUs of that generation, it will take them a few generations to catch up.


Im suprised people have issues with ati drivers, as nvidias current control panel is a huge cluster fuck, just as much if not moreso. And if it wasnt for AMD, intel would still be riding the netburst architecture to the high heavens.

[Inxile]

apparently i skipped that class

[Damascus]

I didn't skip maths and I am still fail at it.

[BLACK]

I fucking hate literature classes. Math dominates.

[Monroe]

Woot, Canadian education system at work!



But yeah. I laugh at this whole thread entirely for the fact that Intel is sending out mixed messages about "Larrabee" already with that stupid graph on cores that doesn't really explain anything, like settings used or anything of the sort...

The only thing that even seems positive and interesting about it is the use of an x86 instruction set over that of a proprietary one.

In any case, I don't think it will meet ati/nvidias GPUs of that generation, it will take them a few generations to catch up.


Im suprised people have issues with ati drivers, as nvidias current control panel is a huge cluster fuck, just as much if not moreso. And if it wasnt for AMD, intel would still be riding the netburst architecture to the high heavens.

ATI drivers have always been shit. Only reason there was to buy ATI was because at one point it was supposedly faster, but their software is so shitty I dont care if they even regain the speed edge, I will never buy their shit again. They are the logitech of graphic cards.

[Inxile]

ati driver are open source afaik, nvidia is not.

umm this argument is kinda pointless cuz it depends on stuff.

few years back nvidia cards starting out performing ati's

now a day's ati cards depends how you look at it can be better or worse then nvidia's

The GTX series of Nvidia cards are expensive, and have a worse price/performance ratio compared to ATI. Crossfired 4870's will beat a single GTX 280, for less than its price

ATI's Fusion Chip
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38703/135/

Intel's Larabee Chip
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/04/intel-discusses-ati-and-nvidia-killing-larrabee-launching-as-ea/

Ati's new card (4870 x2)
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54144

so ya with gfx its an up and down thing, sometimes nvidia cards are better, sometimes ati's, truth be told ati has slacked past few years and couldn't really compete with nvidia

also nvidia release their chip sets etc to oem manufacturer's

least ati makes their own card and has em made 3rd party

also note the pricing

nvidia 9800 gx2 = $450
nvidia gtx 260 = $400
nvidia gtx 280 = $650
ati 4870 x2 = around $550

notice the order, the ati card beats all those and costs a $100 less then nvidia's top card.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53161

[Monroe]

Fag.


Charlie: Hey moms, can I borrow the car pls pls pls pls????!?!?!

Charlies Mom: WHY DONT YOU GO TAKE THE FUCKING BUSSSSS, CHARLIE!!!!! (and put another shrimp on the barbie)

[LaEnana]

I like shrimp.

[Damascus]

On the barbie.