XBOX360

[Digita1]

I've pretty much made up my mind that in the next couple of months I'll be choosing to get an Xbox 360 over a Wii or PS3. The Wii might never happen, seeing as the games are fun, but I'm really starting to look for indepth games, and something that can keep my attention like an MMO, but not have to put such a time-sink into it. And I won't buy a PS3 until the really fix the problems with the system. I've read far too many instances where the PS3 goes to junk, extremely fast. Plus, until the good titles start rolling out for it, I see no vantage in getting one.

So my question is, what games are almost required to have with your Xbox 360? As of right now, the games I know that I'll be buying are Madden 2k7, CoD 4, and GoW. Halo 3 doesn't interest me at all, as I'm not a Halo fan whatsoever. So, LC, Zel, Perant, anyone else that's a major pusher for the Xbox360, what's your recommendations?

[CharlieM]

...Mass Effect.

[BLACK]

Assassin's creed nigga. The PC+360 combo I have going here is total sex.

[Damarus]

I loved Bioshock. It didn't last long, but was a great game. Maybe just hire it from the video store lol :p

[LordChowder]

ace combat 6
mass effect
rock band
err... you know what? just keep up to date on the game forums. too many good games coming out.

[Ist]

Yeah lots of games coming out.
Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix (http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/900/900198.html) (X360)
http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/900/900198.html

[Perant]

the only other shooter i'd really recommend other than the ones you mentioned is bioshock.

i know it's been getting some weird reviews, and some people really hate it for some reason, but i absolutely love assassin's creed. i don't understand why people don't find it as amazing as i do.

i dunno what kind of sports you're into, but Fight Night Round 3 is cheap now, and a really awesome boxing game, and if you happen to be a hockey fan, NHL 08 is probably the best NHL game on a console since NHL '95.

if you're an RPG fan, you can look past Blue Dragon and Enchanted Arms, but i'd take a look at Eternal Sonata. it's not going to measure up at all to Mass Effect, but it's a pretty good game i'd recommend to any old fashioned jrpg fans looking for something similar on a next-gen console. and if you're into anime at all, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja is pretty good for an anime-based game, i ended up spending a few days fighting kids online which turned out to be pretty entertaining.

of course, there's guitar hero 2, which is the game i've probably spent the most time on with my 360, and there's guitar hero 3, which is the game i've probably spent the least time on with my 360. Rock Band's coming out this week, too, and sometime this week Foreigner's Jukebox Heroes will be put on as DLC, and as long as the cover's decent, that means Rock Band will be shoe-in for greatest game of all time. there's probably other songs on the game, too, and other reasons you might wanna play it, but i dunno.

anyway. as far as "required 360 games," hard to say. for the end of this year, i think it's gotta be bioshock, mass effect, assassin's creed, and call of duty 4. but there's definitely more to think about.

[BLACK]

GH2 is better than GH3.

[Talorth]

mass effect is the one game that i might like.... for the 360.

[damme]

GH2 is better than GH3.

Yep, way better :/

[Zelandra]

Um this is just a list of games that I think are required for any 360 buyer:
- GH2
- GoW
- Halo 3
- Assassin's Creed
- Mass Effect (fucking love this game, I swear)
- CoD 3
- CoD 4
- Bioshock

Those are the ones that should be required by law to own. Other than that:
- Rainbow Six: Vegas
- NHL 08
- Madden 08
- Dead Rising (I don't particularly like this game, it's just that I know many people do, and if you just want to kill a shit ton of zombies for a few minutes, you can have at it as much as you want.)
- Rock band (fuck GH3)

I'm a little bit too much into ME atm to keep my head straight when it comes to other games, but that's at least a decently sized list for you (I'm sure everybody else said about the same though, dunno if I helped at all :p).

[Talorth]

My picky bitchy self says GoW and Mass effect are the only two things worth playing.

[BLACK]

Cod 3 was a fucking joke.

[Zelaton]

Wii sucks, thank god you didn't decide on that. It gets boring fast. I bought mine back in like April or May, played it for the first few months off and on. After that I never touched it. I recently sold it to a friend of mine for 250$ to pay some bills since it was just sitting there going to waste. And sold the games back to Game Stop.

I used to own a Playstation (the first one and PS2). I don't have a PS3 but it just seems rediculously expensive. If I was going to choose between the PS3 and 360, I would go with the 360. :o Gaf wants a XBOX360, but they too are expensive!

[Talorth]

Lol, you and I are both cheap. $500 for a console isn't that bad really... its just theres 2games i want to play. and one of those is on pc now.

[Alrus]

Lol, you and I are both cheap. $500 for a console isn't that bad really... its just theres 2games i want to play. and one of those is on pc now.

For a console that doesnt have any really interesting game on it atm, I doubt it's worth the price...

As for the Wii, it's party console, you wont play it much if you like solo games or online fps... Still I think it's pretty fun (Played DBZ budokai on both wii and Ps2, the wii version is ten time funner than the ps2 one...) to play if you arent alone.

Mario Galaxy isnt a bad solo game btw.

But ofc, the 360 a shitton of good games, cant beat that, as soon as I get back in Europe I'm buying one.

[Zelandra]

Cod 3 was a fucking joke.

if by joke you mean the single best WW2 simulation, then yes, it was a fucking joke.

[Zelaton]

As for the Wii, it's party console, you wont play it much if you like solo games or online fps...

Yeah I totally agree with you. Reason I bought the Wii was my friends used to play it every weekend after we went out and drank. It was hella fun. But, when I got one for my house, not too fun with just Gaf and I (not too many people visit us damn it). It got old fast and some games are really hard to play on it.

[LordChowder]

cod 2 > cod 3 by far tbh.

as for the wii... played my wii a total of like 2 hours since i bought it the day it came out. i did just pick up mario galaxy though, played it for a few hours so far and will prolly beat it.

[BLACK]

if by joke you mean the single best WW2 simulation, then yes, it was a fucking joke.

Wow, fuck off, I give that to COD2.

[Craysh]

I'd wait till around January or February before you decide what system to get.
The 360 is pretty much peaking when it comes to it's abilities, the Wii gets boring rather fast, but the PS3 (despite all you 360 fanboi's here) has the most potential for growth.
Check out Uncharted (amazing looking) or Final Fantasy XIII. And of course the new Unreal coming out ^_^
For the record, I have all three systems...

[BLACK]

You rich motherfucker.

[Perant]

The 360 is pretty much peaking when it comes to it's abilities

i lol'd. source?

[BLACK]

XBL is the god of all gods when it comes to online gaming. It's pretty much as good as it gets on any console pc included.

[LordChowder]

so im supposed to buy a ps3 so in 5 years i can have better looking games, while 99% of the games currently are garbage? hell, even multiplatform games like madden, R6V, FEAR, the upcoming orange box etc etc all run smoother on 360, and from what i hear, the orange box isnt even playable on ps3 its so shitty. by the time ps3 is worth the money then, ill be playing an xbox 720. i play games for the fun, not to use as a time capsule so i can enjoy the console in a few years. and besides, 360 is far from seeing the max of its potential. way too many good games on 360 for anyone to even try and justify a ps3 over a 360. and sadly, not enough decent games pn ps3 to even justify a purchase should you want both. and dont even get me started on the PSN vs xbox live. lol ps3 owners should be happy with a fraction of the options xbox live offers, and even if ps3 stole the ideas right from live, itd be a way better plan then this new home shit coming out.

real gamers need only a 360 atm. unless kingdom hearts is a ps3 exclusive.

[BLACK]

I heart my 360.

[Talorth]

so im supposed to buy a ps3 so in 5 years i can have better looking games, while 99% of the games currently are garbage? hell, even multiplatform games like madden, R6V, FEAR, the upcoming orange box etc etc all run smoother on 360, and from what i hear, the orange box isnt even playable on ps3 its so shitty. by the time ps3 is worth the money then, ill be playing an xbox 720. i play games for the fun, not to use as a time capsule so i can enjoy the console in a few years. and besides, 360 is far from seeing the max of its potential. way too many good games on 360 for anyone to even try and justify a ps3 over a 360. and sadly, not enough decent games pn ps3 to even justify a purchase should you want both. and dont even get me started on the PSN vs xbox live. lol ps3 owners should be happy with a fraction of the options xbox live offers, and even if ps3 stole the ideas right from live, itd be a way better plan then this new home shit coming out.

real gamers need only a 360 atm. unless kingdom hearts is a ps3 exclusive.

RSX<Xenos, thats why there can be choppy stuff on the ps3. PS3 has more processing power for AI and other things, but its hard to use and thats why its a silly console. 360 has hit its maximum potentional graphically a long time ago btw, but im sure you know that already.

the difference between PSN though is that its free, and thats why it sucks.

[Talorth]

I heart my 360.

i heart your micropenis.

[LordChowder]

RSX<Xenos, thats why there can be choppy stuff on the ps3. PS3 has more processing power for AI and other things, but its hard to use and thats why its a silly console. 360 has hit its maximum potentional graphically a long time ago btw, but im sure you know that already.

the difference between PSN though is that its free, and thats why it sucks.

what makes you think 360 has hit its peak? just curious. games now look way better than they did even 6 months ago. sure you had gears of war, but now we got bioshock, cod4, ace combat, mass effect, which are pushing the boundaries even further. and looking ahead.. its only gunna get better.

[LordChowder]

lol
http://polygamia.pl/ania-z-gry-halo-3 NSFW


(Sorry chowdy)

[Perant]

360 has hit its maximum potentional graphically a long time ago btw, but im sure you know that already.

lmao, still funny, even a second time. source?

[BLACK]

It still looks ok in the graphics department, but it's all about gameplay imo.

[LordChowder]

DON'T YOU CENSOR ME!!!

[Talorth]

cod4 is 600p upscaled

halo 3 is 640p upscaled.


alot of other games are 720p upscaled to provide smooth framerates.

If you want next gen graphics, you need a fairly expensive pc at ~$800. And thats for 1600x1200. or 1680x1050.

Reaching a theoritical maximum is not bad thing, its exactly that... theoritical. besides, its about using the tools to their best advantage. you might find that there are better ways to approach things. but graphics are a bunch of shit, cod4 is pretty.

[LordChowder]

just because current games arent running at ultra high def resolutions, doesnt mean 360 peaked.

[Talorth]

just because current games arent running at ultra high def resolutions, doesnt mean 360 peaked.

why would they upscale it if it could just run at that res? they do it to maintain 60fps.

flawed logic. 1080p isnt ultra high def, its the standard HD for most decent televisions.

[Talorth]

anyways i dont really feel like getting into a discussion as to why 360 graphics are at their best now, its up to the devs to use that to their best abilities (some run poorly optimized code for example.). I don't believe it really matters anyways, its about gameplay for the most part.

[Perant]

why would they upscale it if it could just run at that res? they do it to maintain 60fps.

flawed logic. 1080p isnt ultra high def, its the standard HD for most decent televisions.

just because he worded it like that, doesn't mean it it's flawed. even if that turns out to actually be the max resolution the 360 can handle, doesn't mean that it's the best graphics the system can churn out.

resolution =/= graphics. this is the first console generation that people have cared this much about resolution.

anyways i dont really feel like getting into a discussion as to why 360 graphics are at their best now, its up to the devs to use that to their best abilities (some run poorly optimized code for example.). I don't believe it really matters anyways, its about gameplay for the most part.

no one's gonna argue that graphics are more important than gameplay. but if you say something ridiculous like the 360's technology peaked "a long time ago," and expect us to already know that, then you should probably back that up.

[YuriSakazaki]

For the record, Halo 3 couldn't run natively at 1080p because it's too taxing. That's about the only area you'll see the PS3 shine is running games at 1080p natively. The games don't inherently look any better (in fact they look worse in many situations so far), but I can't deny that it has the ability to run software at 1920x1080 at a decent clip.

[Perant]

For the record, Halo 3 couldn't run natively at 1080p because it's too taxing. That's about the only area you'll see the PS3 shine is running games at 1080p natively. The games don't inherently look any better (in fact they look worse in many situations so far), but I can't deny that it has the ability to run software at 1920x1080 at a decent clip.

sorry friend, but as far as that subject goes, there's a lot to the story. halo 3's resolution was a very thought out decision by bungie.

One item making the interwebs rounds this week was the scandalous revelation that Halo 3 runs at “640p” which isn’t even technically a resolution. However, the interweb detectives did notice that Halo 3’s vertical resolution, when captured from a frame buffer, is indeed 640 pixels. So what gives? Did we short change you 80 pixels?

Naturally it’s more complicated than that. In fact, you could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers – both of which render at 1152x640 pixels. The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see – lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible – so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image.

This ability to display a full range of HDR, combined with our advanced lighting, material and postprocessing engine, gives our scenes, large and small, a compelling, convincing and ultimately “real” feeling, and at a steady and smooth frame rate, which in the end was far more important to us than the ability to display a few extra pixels. Making this decision simpler still is the fact that the 360 scales the
“almost-720p” image effortlessly all the way up to 1080p if you so desire.

In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference. We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet’s propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven’t mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings.

source: http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12821

so, are you technically correct in what you said(considering you meant 720p)? yeah, sort of. but you can't really tell the difference.

more importantly, i don't see why in a few years any developer couldn't go back, do the same thing bungie did, and say, "hey, we can do this a little bit differently, enjoy the same lighting effects and the 80 pixels you cried yourself to tears over."

[BLACK]

H3 looks like fucking shit at 1080p. That is all.

[Talorth]

For the record, Halo 3 couldn't run natively at 1080p because it's too taxing. That's about the only area you'll see the PS3 shine is running games at 1080p natively. The games don't inherently look any better (in fact they look worse in many situations so far), but I can't deny that it has the ability to run software at 1920x1080 at a decent clip.

does it? i thought the majority of ps3 games ran at 720p :O

[Talorth]

sorry friend, but as far as that subject goes, there's a lot to the story. halo 3's resolution was a very thought out decision by bungie.

Totally, because they were limited to better resolutions because of the hardware availible.


so, are you technically correct in what you said(considering you meant 720p)? yeah, sort of. but you can't really tell the difference.



nice sales pitch.

more importantly, i don't see why in a few years any developer couldn't go back, do the same thing bungie did, and say, "hey, we can do this a little bit differently, enjoy the same lighting effects and the 80 pixels you cried yourself to tears over."

i fail to see your point here, further... its more than just 80 pixels. It is in fact 92,160 pixels in total.



as i said, can we actually talk about advancements in gameplay mechanics as opposed to this graphics bullshit? i'm sick and tired of it. Both the PS3 and 360 can't output HD res without scaling. its not the game developers fault, in fact they are the ones selling the consoles. the whole HD thing this generation was pushed by sony for the most part.

[LordChowder]

why would they upscale it if it could just run at that res? they do it to maintain 60fps.

flawed logic. 1080p isnt ultra high def, its the standard HD for most decent televisions.

madden runs at 60fps on 360, and 30fps on ps3, this mean no game on ps3 can run at 60fps? all comes down to the games and devs. when devs learn how to use the power more effectively, the resolution will go up. remember the ps2 launch games? remember the games 1 year after ps2 launch? compare them to kindom hearts 2/gt4/god of war.

as for the logic, 1080p is the current max resolution. and as for standard HD for most decent tvs, the far majority of HDTVs are 720p/1080i(which is usually just upscaled from 720p sources anyways). this is because tv channels which will be all HD soon, are going to be 720p/1080i signals. no need for 1080p unless for HDDVD/blueray/games. 1080i doesnt look much different than 1080p anyways. infact, its almost identical considering the human eye can only process images so fast. also, a 1080i source will take the 2 frames and merge them together into 1 solid image that looks basically the same as the 1080p. all done way faster than your eye can detect. so its not about i or p its about fps. someone may notice some blurring between 1080i compared to p, but mostly thats all their imagination anyways.

[Zelandra]

I love the fact that people who do not own a 360 yet have to make up absolutely retarded fucking arguments in order to even remotely justify not purchasing one yet.

[BLACK]

I bought the 360 for live, not for graphics...

Obviously games are going to look better on high end PCs, look at the fucking size difference, as well as price difference. The 360 owns the pc when you are playing with friends though.

[Perant]

I love the fact that people who do not own a 360 yet have to make up absolutely retarded fucking arguments in order to even remotely justify not purchasing one yet.

dude it's like assassin's creed. "there's no blood in it" is about as good a reason as "the graphics have already topped out after two years."

[Grog]

i don't want one

[Damarus]

I love the fact that people who do not own a 360 yet have to make up absolutely retarded fucking arguments in order to even remotely justify not purchasing one yet.You act as if it's compulsory to have one.

[Zelandra]

You act as if it's compulsory to have one.

There is no legit reason why you shouldn't buy one. TBH it should be legally required to purchase it.

[Damarus]

Lol I see :p I'd kinda rather have my $600 tbh >.>

[BLACK]

To get a new manifold?

[Damarus]

Starting with handling actually :p The manifold can wait.

[Talorth]

Starting with handling actually :p The manifold can wait.

starting with handling ftw!

even though i prefer fondling.

[BLACK]

What's the first thing you're getting? Coilovers?

[Grindrolas]

I dunno, Halo 3 slows down when its split screen w/ lots of action... Mass Effect's textures don't load instantly. If thats not a clue as to whether the 360 is peaking (performance wise), I don't know what is. Really is a stupid argument though... Of course something that is what, two years old now, is going to show its age. My graphics card is just over a year old and its showing its age, thats what happens in gaming.

[BLACK]

Yeah, good luck with the Crysis port.

[Damarus]

What's the first thing you're getting? Coilovers?Coilys + strut braces should be on their way within the next week or so.

[Talorth]

:o my car is invisible so I WIN FUCK YOU ALL.


looks funny when i drive it though.

[BLACK]

Oh shit. Do you install it yourself or do you take it to a tuning shop?

[Perant]

I dunno, Halo 3 slows down when its split screen w/ lots of action... Mass Effect's textures don't load instantly. If thats not a clue as to whether the 360 is peaking (performance wise), I don't know what is.

except for the part where there are games out that have graphics that put mass effect's stupid texture load times to shame. the graphics in mass effect aren't as impressive as, say, bioshock or gears of war, so mass effect isn't evidence that the 360's already been pushed to the limit.

Really is a stupid argument though... Of course something that is what, two years old now, is going to show its age. My graphics card is just over a year old and its showing its age, thats what happens in gaming.

it's a stupid argument, but for the opposite reason. the playstation 2 showed improvement in graphics six years even after it launched, even as it started on the slow process of being faded out. those first generation ps2 games look so laughable now. months after the ps3 came out, sony dropped God of War II, and let's not forget the visually delicious Okami which came out just a few months before the ps3. games still pushing the limit to what the system can do, six years later, as the thing was getting ready to lay on it's deathbed. consoles reaching their technological limit in two years hasn't happened before. why would it happen now?

so far the only evidence as to this issue anyone's posted is mass effect, which was clearly not the best we've seen to begin with, and a really stupid resolution argument, which is irrelevant. it makes sense, though, people who say stupid things tend to back them up with stupid things.

[Damarus]

Oh shit. Do you install it yourself or do you take it to a tuning shop?Install stuff myself, with mates. We've got access to a fair amount of tools, and a workshop if we need it.

Had some really difficult times with installs in the past, including an exhaust system (straight bolt-up of course from the headers to the tip - we can't weld :p), but you learn a heap and get an ultimate satisfaction from doing stuff yourself. Takes ages to get shit like suspension right though haha. Stupid adjustable coilovers >.>

Would never bother to try and tune an ECU or anything like that though - the furthest we go with wiring is audio gear.

But yeah, anything that bolts in and out we give a go.

[Grindrolas]

except for the part where there are games out that have graphics that put mass effect's stupid texture load times to shame. the graphics in mass effect aren't as impressive as, say, bioshock or gears of war, so mass effect isn't evidence that the 360's already been pushed to the limit.
Bioshock and Gears of War look so nice because of shaders, it has nothing to do with oversized textures. Its quite possible to look great, and keep textures small. Slow load times of Mass Effect could have something to do with the size of the textures, and the amount of memory allocated for loading said textures on the 360.

it's a stupid argument, but for the opposite reason. the playstation 2 showed improvement in graphics six years even after it launched, even as it started on the slow process of being faded out. those first generation ps2 games look so laughable now. months after the ps3 came out, sony dropped God of War II, and let's not forget the visually delicious Okami which came out just a few months before the ps3. games still pushing the limit to what the system can do, six years later, as the thing was getting ready to lay on it's deathbed. consoles reaching their technological limit in two years hasn't happened before. why would it happen now?

so far the only evidence as to this issue anyone's posted is mass effect, which was clearly not the best we've seen to begin with, and a really stupid resolution argument, which is irrelevant. it makes sense, though, people who say stupid things tend to back them up with stupid things.
The PS2 showing improvement over six years I will agree with, but we're talking completely different architectures. Now, I can't talk about the PS2 because quite frankly, I didn't have a grasp of game development then, and I'm not going to say I'm an expert now either. However, there are all sorts of little optimizations that could be going on there, perhaps some illusions. Fact of the matter is, PS2 isn't capable of say Crysis graphics, therefore its limited. Same goes for the 360, putting the PC version of Bioshock next to the 360 version you will notice a small difference, especially if you have a DX10 card and can turn on the DX10 features. Theres no arguing this fact. The 360's hardware is not upgradeable, so while technology moves forward, and games become more complex graphics/physics wise (because physics is where we're going to start moving towards now) the 360 will slowly become inadequate. Deny it all you want, its the way things go.

Back on the topic of the PS2 though, I recently read an article about a MS employee stating that MS was looking at the continued success of the PS2 and considering holding off on the next Xbox, and milking the 360 for all its worth. Not a bad idea IMO since they're gaining market share in places they didn't last time around.

[LordChowder]

lol post here in a year. tell me if 360 has peaked.

[Grindrolas]

lol post here in a year. tell me if 360 has peaked.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying...

I'm not saying games are going to stop coming out for the 360, developers will continue to make them as long as Microsoft continues to back it. What I am saying is the technology behind the games industry, such as graphics engines, are going to leave 360 behind. Are the lot of you so blinded by "fanboiism" that you think the industry will just stop moving forward for it? If thats the case take your heads out of your asses.

No wait, I see the light, the industry and the technology created within it (read engines) will stop moving forward as long as the 360 is on the market...

Remember, this isn't me saying games are going to stop coming out for it, or that people are going to abandon it. I am however saying that graphics on it aren't going to get much better...

[Archaos]

Makes sense, graphics have kinda peaked out recently.

[Talorth]

Install stuff myself, with mates. We've got access to a fair amount of tools, and a workshop if we need it.

Had some really difficult times with installs in the past, including an exhaust system (straight bolt-up of course from the headers to the tip - we can't weld :p), but you learn a heap and get an ultimate satisfaction from doing stuff yourself. Takes ages to get shit like suspension right though haha. Stupid adjustable coilovers >.>

Would never bother to try and tune an ECU or anything like that though - the furthest we go with wiring is audio gear.

But yeah, anything that bolts in and out we give a go.



: ( I can't do anything mechanic without fuxoring something. If i'm ever in AUS you gotta hit me up with that shizzzzzzzzzz.

[BLACK]

What I am saying is the technology behind the games industry, such as graphics engines, are going to leave 360 behind.


DX 10 what?

[BLACK]

Install stuff myself, with mates. We've got access to a fair amount of tools, and a workshop if we need it.

Had some really difficult times with installs in the past, including an exhaust system (straight bolt-up of course from the headers to the tip - we can't weld :p), but you learn a heap and get an ultimate satisfaction from doing stuff yourself. Takes ages to get shit like suspension right though haha. Stupid adjustable coilovers >.>

Would never bother to try and tune an ECU or anything like that though - the furthest we go with wiring is audio gear.

But yeah, anything that bolts in and out we give a go.

That's the way to do it, although adjustable coilovers can be a pain in the ass. :P

[damme]

DX10 is so overrated.

[BLACK]

Once it matures a bit, it will be nice.

[Grindrolas]

DX10 is so overrated.
Its not just DX10 I'm talking about though. Look at the new nVidia chips. They went from 330 gigaflops, to 1 teraflop. Thats A LOT of processing power, and thats a huge jump. With the next Geforces around the corner, and little known about them, we can only begin to imagine what is in store. The point is, with leaps and bounds like that, game developers aren't going to sit there and not utilize the technology simply because the 360 can't handle. They'll make toned down versions, or completely different games.

[BLACK]

It's already happening, look at Crysis.

[Zelandra]

It's already happening, look at Crysis.

Yup, the 1 game that's out right now that isn't on the 360 due to the system. And why is that? Because you have to purchase a ridiculous gaming rig to even run it smoothly.

There's a difference between casual gaming, and a game that forces you to not only put down the money for the game, but also buy a computer that no other game will catch up to in the next couple of years.

Crysis is a fucking retarded argument to use, period.

[Damarus]

So you are saying no other game will be able to match the high requirements of Crysis for years because the developers somehow got hold of magical technology that no one else has access to?

[BLACK]

Yup, the 1 game that's out right now that isn't on the 360 due to the system. And why is that? Because you have to purchase a ridiculous gaming rig to even run it smoothly.

There's a difference between casual gaming, and a game that forces you to not only put down the money for the game, but also buy a computer that no other game will catch up to in the next couple of years.

Crysis is a fucking retarded argument to use, period.


I didn't put down any money for the game. Give it time, more will come.

[BLACK]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1233/nfs2007112720010070fo3.jpg

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[Grindrolas]

I don't know why you fail to see that I'm not saying "OMG 360 ISN'T GONNA HAVE GAMES!!!1!ONE!" I'm only stating, that in its state of no upgrading, its hardware is going to show its age, AND it WILL be left behind as far as technology goes. Jesus christ lol, I know you want to "defend your purchase" (as per thats what fanboi's do) but at some point you need to take off the blinders and realize thats how technology works, and we aren't just talking the gaming world. Something new and better is always around the corner, period.

[Perant]

I don't know why you fail to see that I'm not saying "OMG 360 ISN'T GONNA HAVE GAMES!!!1!ONE!" I'm only stating, that in its state of no upgrading, its hardware is going to show its age, AND it WILL be left behind as far as technology goes. Jesus christ lol, I know you want to "defend your purchase" (as per thats what fanboi's do) but at some point you need to take off the blinders and realize thats how technology works, and we aren't just talking the gaming world. Something new and better is always around the corner, period.

no one's fucking saying that. of course the system has a limit. to say that it's already been reached is ridiculous, because hitting a graphical high point after two years is crazy. and we're supposed to "know that already" even though you guys have only mentioned two games so far that aren't even the best looking games on the system. if the 360's hardware has already been used to the absolute fullest and generated graphics that can't be surpassed, what magical game is it?

if ONE GAME comes out over the course of the next few years that look better than gears of war or bioshock or whatever, our argument is right. i'm not saying the 360 is a machine with magical insides that improve over time, all i'm saying is that games will come out that make better use of the system and will look better.

please stop putting yourselves above "us fanbois," when you can't read or respond to forum posts without understanding a simple argument. case in point:

more importantly, i don't see why in a few years any developer couldn't go back, do the same thing bungie did, and say, "hey, we can do this a little bit differently, enjoy the same lighting effects and the 80 pixels you cried yourself to tears over."i fail to see your point here

[Damarus]

Didn't Ryan already state that Bioshock looked better coz of shaders and not graphics? In effect something like that (a tweaking, more time spent doing stuff, or whatever you call things like that) could make a newer game down the track look better, without being a graphical enhancement/upgrade or whatever? (Just more time spent doing things 'right') - so in effect the 360 is still running at the same apparent peak it's said to be at now, but the game is working to its limits better?

These are actual questions by the way, because I honestly don't know :p

[Zelandra]

So you are saying no other game will be able to match the high requirements of Crysis for years because the developers somehow got hold of magical technology that no one else has access to?

Again here comes Mr. I-always-miss-the-point. Always nice to get your input on things.

Anyways, the developers of Crysis clearly said "fuck it, we don't care about the general gaming demographic, we're only going for the people who would pour massive amounts of money to upgrade their computers just to play this game". It's a risky thing that most developers wouldn't do. Usually they either stay with what the average system of the time could handle, or just push it a little bit. Crysis not only crosses the border, it made it's own country a couple of hundred miles past it.

Do you need me to color a picture in crayons or will you actually understand what I'm saying for once?

[Grindrolas]

Didn't Ryan already state that Bioshock looked better coz of shaders and not graphics? In effect something like that (a tweaking, more time spent doing stuff, or whatever you call things like that) could make a newer game down the track look better, without being a graphical enhancement/upgrade or whatever? (Just more time spent doing things 'right') - so in effect the 360 is still running at the same apparent peak it's said to be at now, but the game is working to its limits better?

These are actual questions by the way, because I honestly don't know :p
Bioshocks look was all to do with shaders, yes. Having actually dabbled in one of the languages that shaders are written in (which is very close to assembly), I have an understanding of what can be done. All the neat little tricks that make the textures look glossy, or look like they have a height to them are done using shaders.

edit: And to answer your questions, as long as what they've got the GPU doing fits the number of instructions allowed, and is Shader 3.0 or below, its all possible.

no one's fucking saying that. of course the system has a limit. to say that it's already been reached is ridiculous, because hitting a graphical high point after two years is crazy. and we're supposed to "know that already" even though you guys have only mentioned two games so far that aren't even the best looking games on the system. if the 360's hardware has already been used to the absolute fullest and generated graphics that can't be surpassed, what magical game is it?

if ONE GAME comes out over the course of the next few years that look better than gears of war or bioshock or whatever, our argument is right. i'm not saying the 360 is a machine with magical insides that improve over time, all i'm saying is that games will come out that make better use of the system and will look better.LOL, go find a pc that was put together two years ago and try to run todays newest pc games on it. You won't be able to. Point is, hardware advances, and games advance with it. Consoles are a little different of course, as their hardware doesn't change. It's because of that, that consoles peak after a certain amount of time. It isn't a bad thing, its how things go.

Again, as I stated above, those games look so nice not because of some magic, but because of a set of instructions that only GPU's understand called shaders. Bioshock only runs on PC's with a GPU that supports Shader 3.0.

But yes, lets argue some more about how the 360's hardware isn't starting to show its age, and by that I mean that games aren't going to look much better than they do now over the course of the 360's life, from this point on. The 360 is obviously going to defy all previous consoles, because its secretly the superman of the console world.

Again here comes Mr. I-always-miss-the-point. Always nice to get your input on things.

Anyways, the developers of Crysis clearly said "fuck it, we don't care about the general gaming demographic, we're only going for the people who would pour massive amounts of money to upgrade their computers just to play this game". It's a risky thing that most developers wouldn't do. Usually they either stay with what the average system of the time could handle, or just push it a little bit. Crysis not only crosses the border, it made it's own country a couple of hundred miles past it.

Do you need me to color a picture in crayons or will you actually understand what I'm saying for once?
Seen the game on low? Looks as good as most games these days, and runs fine on low end pc's....no wait, you don't play pc games...

[Damarus]

Again here comes Mr. I-always-miss-the-point. Always nice to get your input on things.

Anyways, the developers of Crysis clearly said "fuck it, we don't care about the general gaming demographic, we're only going for the people who would pour massive amounts of money to upgrade their computers just to play this game". It's a risky thing that most developers wouldn't do. Usually they either stay with what the average system of the time could handle, or just push it a little bit. Crysis not only crosses the border, it made it's own country a couple of hundred miles past it.

Do you need me to color a picture in crayons or will you actually understand what I'm saying for once?Ahhhhhh ok.

So what you are in fact saying is that you admit that the 360 is peaking and you believe game developers are all going to tone their shit down or just not try at all so that their games still run fine on the 360. But somehow this doesn't mean that the Xbox has peaked as the developers will hide the fact that they had to tone down/not try for the Xbox and we can keep up the guise that the 360 is still running the best possible graphics of that day. Crysis developers though didn't conform to Microsofts will on this matter so this example is not allowed to count. I think I'm following you now. My bad on the misunderstanding.


By the way, Black stated he didn't have to do fuck all (literally nothing) to his PC to run Crysis. Or is your argument that you'd have to do some pretty gnarly shit with your PC to run Crysis, if it was the same age as the Xbox 360?

[Damascus]

Having done nothing but skim over the last few posts I have to say this. Crysis runs silky smooth on my PC, I love my 360, and I can't use my wacom on my 360.

Also, shaders are super sexy. Normal mapping makes me hard.

[LordChowder]

consoles have typically a 5 year life cycle. over the 5 years, games continue to look better. i dont see how this is hard for anyone to understand. when a console is made, they take into consideration longevity of the console. the 360, the ps3, and even the wii have a long way to go before devs are able to unlock their full potential. pretty sure most hardware even have a an actual lock to prevent developers from utilizing the consoles full power till sony or ms says ok here, and unlocks it. this is to make sure the best looking games dont come out at day one. this will keep the console fresh until the next installment.this is how its been for years and years. i remember playing cod2 on my 360 on my hdtv and being in awe. like year later, i played gears of war.. and was in awe. playing ace combat 6/cod4/bioshock now and im in awe. down the road ill be playing gears 2 and what not. you think its going to look just as good as the original? lol silly. i think i read somewhere that gears only used like 30% of the 360s processing power. so.. yeah have at it.

[Damarus]

Consoles have a secret switch which unlocks hidden power?

[LordChowder]

yes. for example.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/47564

and new development techniques create better graphics with less need for pure power. this means games will continue to look better and better even if a machine peaks out. which so far, these havent. and as we keep saying. as devs get better, they utilize the power more effectively, which creates better looking games... which means itll be a long time till the technology in the ps3/360 become outdated.

[Damascus]

With this generation also it has alot to do with the switch to multiple core processors. Writing code for multi-cores is very different to writing code for one and I'd say programmers are still learning how to efficiently do this. It takes time to learn what you can do with the hardware and even more time on top of that to tune and refine what you have done. If games were allowed an infinite time on their development cycle I'm sure they could push the hardware amazingly far but development needs to stop at some point and so there is a point at which the coders have to say "Yeah, this is about as much optimisation as we have time for. We'll use what we've learned on the next project."

They don't actually speak those exact words every time, that'd just be silly. It'd be like mass exposition in a poorly scripted film.

[Grindrolas]

yes. for example.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/47564

and new development techniques create better graphics with less need for pure power. this means games will continue to look better and better even if a machine peaks out. which so far, these havent. and as we keep saying. as devs get better, they utilize the power more effectively, which creates better looking games... which means itll be a long time till the technology in the ps3/360 become outdated.
So then what about the Halo 3 single player co-op slow downs? I know it isn't just the 360 we have here, as I've discussed it at length with the guys at the company I've been interning at, and they all experienced the same thing.

Again, I don't see the 360 going anywhere for years, but I also don't see it keeping up with next-gen engines. It will be interesting to take id's new Tech 5 and run it on both a 360 and PC and see which one looks better.

With this generation also it has alot to do with the switch to multiple core processors. Writing code for multi-cores is very different to writing code for one and I'd say programmers are still learning how to efficiently do this. It takes time to learn what you can do with the hardware and even more time on top of that to tune and refine what you have done. If games were allowed an infinite time on their development cycle I'm sure they could push the hardware amazingly far but development needs to stop at some point and so there is a point at which the coders have to say "Yeah, this is about as much optimisation as we have time for. We'll use what we've learned on the next project."

They don't actually speak those exact words every time, that'd just be silly. It'd be like mass exposition in a poorly scripted film.
Don't have to tell me this one ;) Writing for multiple cores is one giant headache, that is a necessity in todays world. Though, its best to keep rendering cycles off the cpu and on the gpu, so that AI, physics, etc. can be the focus of the cpu.

[LordChowder]

So then what about the Halo 3 single player co-op slow downs? I know it isn't just the 360 we have here, as I've discussed it at length with the guys at the company I've been interning at, and they all experienced the same thing.

Again, I don't see the 360 going anywhere for years, but I also don't see it keeping up with next-gen engines. It will be interesting to take id's new Tech 5 and run it on both a 360 and PC and see which one looks better.


Don't have to tell me this one ;) Writing for multiple cores is one giant headache, that is a necessity in todays world. Though, its best to keep rendering cycles off the cpu and on the gpu, so that AI, physics, etc. can be the focus of the cpu.

no offense, but this stupid shit about current games makes no sense so i dont get why you keep repeating yourself. i mean are you even bothering to read anything? i have no slowdown on cod4 in even the most intense fire fights. i had no slowdown issues in bioshock. i do have slowdown issues in mass effect in even less crowded areas than any of the previous mentioned games. see a pattern? i dont either. there is none. its all up to the devs. because 1 game has slowdown doesnt mean the console is peaking. i had slowdown playing that flight sim game that launched with the ps2. hell, everytime i crashed itd slow down like a jew. does that mean ps2 was maxed since day one? theres no arguing. this is a very simple fact. the games of this generation will continue to get better and better until the next consoles come out. the current games are not as good as it gets.

[Archaos]

ONLY TIME SHALL TELL!!!

[Zelandra]

MY PC CAN'T RUN CRYSIS, OMG PC GAMING IS PEAKING!

It really is like "arguing" with a bunch of 5 year olds, you use the same fucking retarded arguments over and over, even though we throw fresh ones at you. So fucking silly.

[Perant]

i mean are you even bothering to read anything?

they really don't tbh


MY PC CAN'T RUN CRYSIS, OMG PC GAMING IS PEAKING!

i lol'd, sounds like a maddox quote

[Archaos]

Except PCs are upgradeable and 360s aren't silly.

I don't think the 360 had peaked yet, the games will get better looking, but that last statement was just bleh.

[Grindrolas]

Except PCs are upgradeable and 360s aren't silly.

I don't think the 360 had peaked yet, the games will get better looking, but that last statement was just bleh.
Beat me to it...I'm accused of being a 5 year old, when I have an open enough mind to admit that 360 isn't going anywhere.

What happens when games start using shader model 4.0, something 360 can't do? Thats the next step, and the 360 graphics card doesn't support it, it being a part of DX10 and all.

I'm saying theres no fucking magic that can be done to make something work, if the hardware doesn't support it. Crysis wasn't the only game to come out in the last month with DX10 support, Hellgate is another. You're going to start seeing games come out with DX10 support, and, just like developers are able to make games look great using DX9 after years of using it, in a year or two you're going to see things that will blow your mind, and won't be supported.

I'm offended by the fact that the lot of you think I don't read your points, I do. I question whether you comprehend mine. My point of view isn't just that of a gamer, but someone who is less than a month away from being done with school and working in the industry as a programmer. I've been interning at one developer for 6 months, and in the process of starting a studio with some of my classmates where I'll be taking the position of lead programmer. I have an understanding of the tech behind these engines, and once we get our 360 dev kit and I can push it to its max, I'll have an understanding of it completely.

All I am going off of is the fact that the 360 couldn't handle two views of Halo 3 at once with lots of action, and loads Mass Effect textures slowly. It plays COD4 fine with one person playing, and it should. I was really surprised that there was any slow downs while playing Halo 3, I expected Bungie of all people to have all the little tricks for getting the most out of the machine.

Anyways, my whole point this entire fucking time is that there will be a point that the 360's games won't look any better, it might be now with Bioshock, or who knows, maybe someone will find a nice little bit of Shader 3.0 code that makes things look great. If not, the next logical step is Shader 4.0, and the 360 doesn't support it.

[Talorth]

No one has told me why if the 360 has not peaked at graphical capabilities is it running the game at 600p, and upscaling.

PS2 is an exceptional case, developers for the console had a far more open capabilities. However, it was far more difficult to program for...(I believe it used openGL with custom namespaces.)

With the 360, using XNA and the directX api, is far more restrictive... However a hell of alot easier to code for. That in my opinion makes it alot easier for a developer to go in and not bother with making it look as pretty as possible.

The graphical capabilities have peaked, and I will reiterate it again. ITS HOW THE DEVELOPER USES IT THATS IMPORTANT.

[Talorth]

MY PC CAN'T RUN CRYSIS, OMG PC GAMING IS PEAKING!

It really is like "arguing" with a bunch of 5 year olds, you use the same fucking retarded arguments over and over, even though we throw fresh ones at you. So fucking silly.

Zelly boy, you are so cute when you think you are making a good point. <3 I'd reconsider whos testicles have yet to drop if I were you.

[LordChowder]

No one has told me why if the 360 has not peaked at graphical capabilities is it running the game at 600p, and upscaling.

PS2 is an exceptional case, developers for the console had a far more open capabilities. However, it was far more difficult to program for...(I believe it used openGL with custom namespaces.)

With the 360, using XNA and the directX api, is far more restrictive... However a hell of alot easier to code for. That in my opinion makes it alot easier for a developer to go in and not bother with making it look as pretty as possible.

The graphical capabilities have peaked, and I will reiterate it again. ITS HOW THE DEVELOPER USES IT THATS IMPORTANT.

graphical capabilities cant be peaked if better looking games come out. i dont get how you guys arent seeing this simple fact. i have an easy argument to make. if any game comes out for 360, that looks better than the best current 360 games... im right. as for the resolution, already answered. its up to the developer. theres little difference between the resolutions anyways. but when developers are able to use the hardware better, games will become less taxing and itll allow extra power to be used on useless shit like a few extra pixels.

[Perant]

That in my opinion makes it alot easier for a developer to go in and not bother with making it look as pretty as possible.

DOT DOT FUCKING DOT

so a developer does "go in," does make a game look pretty as possible, and does put out a game that looks better than every other game we've seen so far.

thus, chowder zel and me, we're all right.

[Archaos]

Can't we just admit the 360 fanboys think one way and the non-360 fanboys another. This is the stupidest fucking thread ever.

[Talorth]

graphical capabilities cant be peaked if better looking games come out. i dont get how you guys arent seeing this simple fact. i have an easy argument to make. if any game comes out for 360, that looks better than the best current 360 games... im right. as for the resolution, already answered. its up to the developer. theres little difference between the resolutions anyways. but when developers are able to use the hardware better, games will become less taxing and itll allow extra power to be used on useless shit like a few extra pixels.

Hardware doesn't work like that. The GPU is only capable of doing so much, and when using a high level language it becomes more difficult to squeeze more out of it. Not only that, but the API is restrictive. If the resolution was no big deal, then why would it be upscaled? Why not just display it at full 1080p if I ask it to? Without upscaling.



DOT DOT FUCKING DOT

so a developer does "go in," does make a game look pretty as possible, and does put out a game that looks better than every other game we've seen so far.

thus, chowder zel and me, we're all right.

Someone looks far too much into text, maybe you should redirect your attention to some hentai... You'd get more shit done that way than by reading deeply into my text than spewing bullshit about how you and your boyfriend are always right about everything.

[BLACK]

No. Fuck off.

[stockfisch]

Can't we just admit the 360 fanboys think one way and the non-360 fanboys another. This is the stupidest fucking thread ever.
amen

[Talorth]

No. Fuck off.

:O

[stockfisch]

MENGZ
WII > *
TANHK YUO FOR YUOR TIEM

[BLACK]

Not to you, furfag, to Arch.

[Perant]

Someone looks far too much into text, maybe you should redirect your attention to some hentai... You'd get more shit done that way than by reading deeply into my text than spewing bullshit about how you and your boyfriend are always right about everything.

serious?

so in other words, i read your text, but by reading it, i should just disregard everything you post because it's not meant to be read?

or...wait...am i reading this post now, and by reading it, should i not be reading it, because...oh man...

i think either way you come out to be the dumbest fucking person ever

[Talorth]

I think your asshole is a little rough from last night with zelly boy.


dumbest fucking person ever

Who zelly boy? I agree.

[BLACK]

I'd fuck his tattoo.

[Talorth]

i wish youd just fuck me and get it over with, your micropenis deserves attention black!

[Perant]

is this what happens when you lose an argument? resort to random personal insults, and act like you're gay for everyone?

"someone reads far too much into text"

oh man, so priceless

[Talorth]

oh man, pot calling the kettle black.


priceless.

and i am gay for everyone, bitch... sorry you can't get in on the attention... I know zelly doesn't treat you right. : (.

[Perant]

oh man, pot calling the kettle black.

i'd ask you what you mean, but, y'know, i was told not to read too far into your words, so i realized that you had probably made a typo, thought of something else, i dunno. it's all good.

hey, you should send grind your distress signal already, maybe he'll repeat the same failing argument for the 12th time and you can think you know what you're talking about again.

[BLACK]

http://fchan.us/src/m_1196150791756_fluke_sex.jpg

[stockfisch]

drama in a thread about xbox360? sweet

[Talorth]

you really took too long to respond to that one, did you really have to think about what I said before responding? Wow, maybe you should of done that earlier because you wouldn't of looked like such a fucking retard.

What does this have to do with grind? My lover loves me more than zel loves you, at least he kisses me at night before he humps my wet mangina. I feel sorry for you, its really hard to go about living when your asshole feels like a new piece of roughest grade sandpaper every morning.

Some random retard from a gamestop really knows his shit. Well, i'm afraid you don't really have a stem of intelligence in your brain whatsoever. Hell,but i suppose someone with horrible tastes in hentai would be like that.


I have always taken interest in your opinion, and listened to your opinion. I often agree with some of your opinions, but someone who is so biased as to flush out every other opinion but their own is a big fatass fanboy.

[BLACK]

Oh snap.

[Talorth]

http://fchan.us/src/m_1196150791756_fluke_sex.jpg

rofl. HOT.

[Perant]

you really took too long to respond to that one, did you really have to think about what I said before responding? Wow, maybe you should of done that earlier because you wouldn't of looked like such a fucking retard.

What does this have to do with grind? My lover loves me more than zel loves you, at least he kisses me at night before he humps my wet mangina. I feel sorry for you, its really hard to go about living when your asshole feels like a new piece of roughest grade sandpaper every morning.

Some random retard from a gamestop really knows his shit. Well, i'm afraid you don't really have a stem of intelligence in your brain whatsoever. Hell,but i suppose someone with horrible tastes in hentai would be like that.

dude. i love it. first, you say, "the pot calling the kettle black," i'm still not sure why. but then - and this is awesome - you've got three or four posts, calling me gay. someone who is actually gay, like, mentally gay, is sitting here calling me a fag. i'm laughing so fucking hard. and all i did was quote something that YOU said. man, so awesome. i don't think i've ever degraded someone who was gay to the point where THEY insulted ME by calling me gay, and the best part is, i never, not once, tried to insult you out of the blue without showing you something you said first.

but you're right, i wonder how a gamestop employee would ever learn anything about video games. like, seriously.

[Talorth]

tears make best lubricant.

[Talorth]

dude. i love it. first, you say, "the pot calling the kettle black," i'm still not sure why. but then - and this is awesome - you've got three or four posts, calling me gay. someone who is actually gay, like, mentally gay, is sitting here calling me a fag. i'm laughing so fucking hard. and all i did was quote something that YOU said. man, so awesome. i don't think i've ever degraded someone who was gay to the point where THEY insulted ME by calling me gay, and the best part is, i never, not once, tried to insult you out of the blue without showing you something you said first.

but you're right, i wonder how a gamestop employee would ever learn anything about video games. like, seriously.

So because i'm gay im not allowed to call anyone out on being a fag? That would be unfair, and no fun. Because ultimately it is more offensive to a straight guy than it would be to me. Honestly, its because you are so much of a dipshit you deserve to be raped by zel.
so fucking hard
We all know how zel makes you feel, you didn't need to tell us again!
degraded
we know, but its your choice to feel that way!


tried to insult you out of the blue without showing you something you said first.

baby need a bottle? you didn't seem much to care when zel resorted to trying to make, if i do say so, very weak and pathetic insults.


its all in good fun anyways, if you cant see the humour in a situation when people are too high horse to listen to another person's opinion than you are far beyond help.

[Talorth]

black post more furry porn damnit!

[stockfisch]

tears make best lubricant.
i should try that sometimes

[Talorth]

one would think blood, but no... seriously tears... man.

[Talorth]

anyways, im outta here.. bai for now queerbaits.

[BLACK]

http://fchan.us/src/m_1184813961681_portside.jpg

[LordChowder]

Can't we just admit the 360 fanboys think one way and the non-360 fanboys another. This is the stupidest fucking thread ever.

im a video game fanboi. i have no vested interest in any particular console. in anycase i think you guys need to learn the definition of peak. if a single game comes out that is more technically advanced and looks better than any current game.... its a fact it obviously isnt peaked.

[BLACK]

What game is that?

http://fchan.us/src/m_1195536125945_Try_This_Size.jpg

[BLACK]

K9ePxDFiogg

[Damarus]

im a video game fanboi. i have no vested interest in any particular console. in anycase i think you guys need to learn the definition of peak. if a single game comes out that is more technically advanced and looks better than any current game.... its a fact it obviously isnt peaked.I think what it is here, or as far as I'm concerned - is it's not so much about the Xbox not being able to churn out better looking games as developers learn to utilize the technology of the Xbox better. It's about developers being able to accel past the Xbox in leaps and bounds for PC games (since hardware for PCs is always improving), and the Xbox being left behind. So it's not so much the peak of the Xbox's actual abilities, but the peak of it's time at the head of the competition graphical/performance wise.

This is my opinion as a casual gamer with average console experience (no console preference) and no industry experience.

[LordChowder]

no console has ever really been ahead of pc as far as max power. but then again... not everyone owns a 4-5 thousand dollar rig. 360 and ps3 will still have comparable graphics to any decent gaming rig even a couple years down the road, and at that point youre already looking at the new line of consoles. comparing pc and consoles is a mistake imo.

[Damarus]

I don't disagree with you, but the thing is - It seems like Xbox fans are trying to tell me/us/this forum (whatever) that the Xbox isn't reaching its peak as far as displaying top of the line graphics and shit and everything is just going to look better and better for years to come - when it seems (from some of the more technical posts using terms I only vaguely understand) that the Xbox is already having stuff toned down from the games full potential to run well on the Xbox.

Not saying it's not looking better on the Xbox than previous stuff - but the Xbox versions aren't the peak of each of these games abilities. Sort of thing.

Although maybe I'm seeing your arguments wrong as to what you exactly mean by the Xbox not peaking, etc of the things and such.

[Damarus]

Oh just thought I'd add by no means am I trying to say flat out that the Xbox has actually peaked or anything - I dont know. I dont own one - can't afford to spare the money :p

Just going by the arguments in this thread with what I say about it maybe reaching a peak possibly and the things in the near future and such of this likeness.

[Zelandra]

Can't we just admit the 360 fanboys think one way and the non-360 fanboys another. This is the stupidest fucking thread ever.

There is a huge difference between admitting to something that's right, and succumbing to something because 3 people on the internet disagree with you. Why would I admit to something when I know I'm right? Honestly, I always am. It's just a question of how long it will take before each individual that reads this will realize it.

It's been proven, wikipedia it.

EDIT:
MY NES CAN'T PLAY CRYSIS, CONSOLE GAMING IS PEAKING :E

[Zelandra]

I'd fuck his tattoo.

So would I. My penis reaches it but it hurts to twist it like that :(

[Damarus]

EDIT:
MY NES CAN'T PLAY CRYSIS, CONSOLE GAMING IS PEAKING :EMine can. You have to find that secret button that unleashes the hidden power of consoles. It was under the black thing and slightly left and I needed an alen key to push it.

[BLACK]

So would I. My penis reaches it but it hurts to twist it like that :(


That might lead to some major spinal problems. LOL

[Zelandra]

That might lead to some major spinal problems. LOL

It'd be worth it, you've seen what a sexy fucking beast I have on my back. It's actually ended up with me getting a lot of ass due to it :3

[BLACK]

Ooh rearry?


I bet it's also due to the fact that you can do this


K9ePxDFiogg

[Talorth]

Just wait until I build USS voyager. I'm going to fuck this planet. I'll BE IN MY READY ROOM BITCHES.

[Talorth]

BTW, it's amazing how you three get so butthurt over me saying that. It was incredible.

[Perant]

BTW, it's amazing how you three get so butthurt over me saying that. It was incredible.

butthurt? naw, just amazed again at what kind of stupid things you can say. it's pretty common. but it makes sense now, since you didn't really mean it when you said it.

[Damarus]

I like how he tells you that you read too far into what he posts, and then you read too far into it and come up with gems like that.

Actually pretty funny if it's purposeful humour tbh :)

[//Antisaint]

Hai gais :D

[Talorth]

I am hard for you perant, I want you to cum on a cracker for me.

[BLACK]

http://fchan.us/src/m_1182466741595_fox_BJ.jpg

[Talorth]

cumslut fox!

[Zelandra]

THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED.

Oh shit I posted something stupid.

Lol you guys think I don't believe that the holocaust happened? You read into my posts too much.


Sounds just like any of you fags out there.

[Zelandra]

Ooh rearry?


I bet it's also due to the fact that you can do this


K9ePxDFiogg

That too, also, wtb his guitar :)


ps, hai everybody im a faggot with at tattoo... yippie! go buy a 360, because i'm always fucking right.

[Damarus]

THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED.

Oh shit I posted something stupid.

Lol you guys think I don't believe that the holocaust happened? You read into my posts too much.


Sounds just like any of you fags out there.Uhh tripple sarcasm. I can't follow what your actual post is saying here because you applied sarcasm to sarcasm to sarcasm. (Not a dig at you - honestly don't follow :p)

Are you pointing out Perant is stupid for reading too much into a post or Talorth is stupid for pointing out that Perant is stupid for reading too much into a post. Or faggots are stupid for pointing out that someone is stupid for posting about someone reading too much into a post after being told they read too much into a post, or that someone is a faggot if they do the above? Or even simply that reading too much into a post makes you a faggot?

Or that you are a faggot because the holocaust happened?


o_________________________________O

[Zelandra]

Uhh tripple sarcasm. I can't follow what your actual post is saying here because you applied sarcasm to sarcasm to sarcasm. (Not a dig at you - honestly don't follow :p)

Are you pointing out Perant is stupid for reading too much into a post or Talorth is stupid for pointing out that Perant is stupid for reading too much into a post. Or faggots are stupid for pointing out that someone is stupid for posting about someone reading too much into a post after being told they read too much into a post, or that someone is a faggot if they do the above? Or even simply that reading too much into a post makes you a faggot?

Or that you are a faggot because the holocaust happened?


o_________________________________O

I'm saying that when you post something stupid and realize that it is indeed stupid, there is no possible way you can then say "lol, you guys read too much into my posts". I was busy p-lvling a lock kinda quick in WoW when I posted ;|

And I guess I am a faggot because the Holocaust happened :(

Damn Holocaust.

[Talorth]

btw if you read the sentence i said that, i was being sarcastic. and it was because, for the most part.. he entirely missed the point of my post.

[Zelandra]

btw if you read the sentence i said that i was being sarcastic.

Ah man, I love nazis. DEATH TO JEWS!

[Zelandra]

Oh shit, people read the above post? I was being sarcastic.

[Damarus]

I follow your logic (wtf, I follow Zel's logic...), but I tend to see Talorth's point about sarcasm when as a fag, he calls someone else a fag as if it was an insult :p

Seems like you'd be a bit of a fag if you took a fag calling you a fag to heart in the first place :/ Unless it was the holocaust that made you a fag :(

Damn holocaust.

[Talorth]

why am i experiencing dejavu here?

[Talorth]

Someone looks far too much into text, maybe you should redirect your attention to some hentai... You'd get more shit done that way than by reading deeply into my text than spewing bullshit about how you and your boyfriend are always right about everything.



Paragraph rather sorry, but lol.

[Zelandra]

I follow your logic (wtf, I follow Zel's logic...), but I tend to see Talorth's point about sarcasm when as a fag, he calls someone else a fag as if it was an insult :p

Seems like you'd be a bit of a fag if you took a fag calling you a fag to heart in the first place :/ Unless it was the holocaust that made you a fag :(

Damn holocaust.

The holocaust did make me a fag :(

Damn Holocaust.

My logic always makes sense :E

Damn Holocaust.

[Talorth]

i like being gay, its fun.

[lilcookie]

xbox discussions seem to be serious business on these boards lol

[Archaos]

It's been proven, wikipedia it.



lol worst source for anything.

ever.

[Archaos]

How did the topic go from game consoles to the holocaust.

We're so fucked up.

[Damarus]

Zelandra sidetracks to other topics like that when the argument starts to wear thin and he needs to spark a new one :p

[Perant]

Zelandra sidetracks to other topics like that when the argument starts to wear thin and he needs to spark a new one :p

don't read too much into his posts

[Damarus]

Serious question:

Are you unfamiliar with the saying "don't read too much into ___" and it's various permutations? Because the way you keep bringing it up it really seems like you don't understand at all what is meant by it, especially the way you keep using it sarcastically in situations where it doesn't really apply :/

[Grindrolas]

but you're right, i wonder how a gamestop employee would ever learn anything about video games. like, seriously.
ROFLLLLLL HAI GUYZ, I WORK IN TEH RETAIL SO I KNOW ALL ABOUT TEH GAMING INDUSTRY 'KAYZZ?

no console has ever really been ahead of pc as far as max power. but then again... not everyone owns a 4-5 thousand dollar rig. 360 and ps3 will still have comparable graphics to any decent gaming rig even a couple years down the road, and at that point youre already looking at the new line of consoles. comparing pc and consoles is a mistake imo.
You really don't need a 4-5 thousand dollar rig to play Crysis, infact, the 8800GT (which MSRP is $250) will play it awesome, considering the cards raw processing power (1 TERAFLOP/sec). DDR2 RAM is cheap, processors are cheap, I think the most expensive part of a decent computer right now is the monitor...if you really want I'd gladly price something out just to prove a point...

Oh, and its hard not to use the same argument again and again when its obviously so technical it flys over your head Perant/Zel/whoever else.

[Archaos]

I could play Crysis if I got a new videocard, my 7600GT isn't up to snuff :<

[Perant]

ROFLLLLLL HAI GUYZ, I WORK IN TEH RETAIL SO I KNOW ALL ABOUT TEH GAMING INDUSTRY 'KAYZZ?

dude, you're looking way to deep into my words. where did i ever say that a gamestop employee knows what they're talking about? let's not kid ourselves here.

[LordChowder]

i hear interns are development gods.

[Grindrolas]

i hear interns are development gods.
Not just an intern my friend, I'm interning at one company as a fallback while working as lead programmer at another newer company (hence the fallback).

Regardless, my job "title" in no way reflects how little I may or may not know. My education, and my drive to learn will. Furthermore, I think my having gone through school to program video games gives me a little more authority in the realm of game development, and the technology behind it, than say, someone who plays them, or sells them... My 2c though...lol

[LordChowder]

ever developed a 360 game?

[damme]

considering the cards raw processing power (1 TERAFLOP/sec).
Isn't it ~500 gigaflops, and and the upcoming will be ~1 teraflop?

[Talorth]

I could play Crysis if I got a new videocard, my 7600GT isn't up to snuff :<

you could play it at very low : ( lol.

Aren't you still running on a pentium D? LOL!

[BLACK]

Zelandra sidetracks to other topics like that when the argument starts to wear thin and he needs to spark a new one :p

It's called a red herring logical falicy.

[lilcookie]

Haha thats the type of shit we did in my logic class.

[BLACK]

I have to take fucking ethics, and it's my second lowest grade. That class is a fucking waste of time.

[lilcookie]

Yeah I fucking hate Gen Ed classes. But I'm also freaking out because I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life. I had a dream yesterday where I was crying and cutting myself because of this rofl.



Thread derailed even moar?

[BLACK]

Well Ethics is a pain because I have to spend a shitload of time writing papers and whatnot to keep my grade up. And it's only a fucking 95, even with all the time I waste doing that shit.

[lilcookie]

I have to write a paper tonight :(
Only 4-5 pages though so not too horrible.

[BLACK]

I have a 17 page research paper due monday. Haven't even started typing.

[lilcookie]

lol black, saw this and thought you'd approve NSFW

http://img165.imagevenue.com/loc720/th_68576_s_1195193793267_123_720lo.jpg (http://img165.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68576_s_1195193793267_123_720lo.jpg)

[Talorth]

Yeah I fucking hate Gen Ed classes. But I'm also freaking out because I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life. I had a dream yesterday where I was crying and cutting myself because of this rofl.



Thread derailed even moar?

sorry but LOL @ that dream.


you'll figure it out dude, how old are you? You have lots of time.

[lilcookie]

Yeah lol I thought it was funny too. Though in my defense I cut myself on something, rather than directly cutting myself. Although I was definitely crying to mommie, thats for damn certain.

I'm 18, sad? :/

[BLACK]

lol black, saw this and thought you'd approve NSFW

http://img165.imagevenue.com/loc720/th_68576_s_1195193793267_123_720lo.jpg (http://img165.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68576_s_1195193793267_123_720lo.jpg)

LOL wtf

I only do real furry porn, none of that toon bullshit.

[lilcookie]

I just don't know my furries I guess lmao

[BLACK]

Noob.

[Talorth]

Yeah lol I thought it was funny too. Though in my defense I cut myself on something, rather than directly cutting myself. Although I was definitely crying to mommie, thats for damn certain.

I'm 18, sad? :/

im 18 yet and I know quite well my life might not be figured out until im 30, hell 40 for all I know.


What is with this bullshit about having your life goals written down at 16-22? Makes me laugh every time I hear it.

[BLACK]

Don't make fun of me.

[lilcookie]

Because in less than a year I have to choose a major which will directly influence what type of job I will have.



I'm scared.




Hold me.

[Talorth]

do you HAVE to do it in a year? gun being held to your head?

[BLACK]

Yes.

[Talorth]

boo hoo for you guyz


lolz.

[lilcookie]

do you HAVE to do it in a year? gun being held to your head?

You do have a point there. You can flop around majors like an indecisive bastard. But within the foreseeable future, yeah I have to figure it out.

[Talorth]

flop around majors like a big ol floppy cock!


yes. you do have time.

[Medicalelf]

Some people need more time to know what they really want to do in the future. In my case, I don't like to waste time so I have to decide fast and make up my mind.

[Talorth]

Haha, but then you could go as far to say that everything you do in life is a waste of time... Because ultimately, there's a plot out there for all of us in the end.

[Medicalelf]

No, I have my own plot. My life is my project and I have certain goals that are time sensitive :P. Like say for example I want to have kids, I have to plan on when should I have kids before I hit menopause you know. For now my plan is to pay off my debts in 3 years or settle my divorce in 1 year. Some things are just time sensitive. And you can't just put them aside.

[Talorth]

What if the person you were gonna fuck for kids died in a car accident, or had terminal cancer?


I'm sorry but with something as important as a career you just can't expect to magically get from point A to point B like that. With such an important decision I think you are better off thinking about your major than rushing in to something and changing your mind later.

And yes, I know there are time sensitive things that you can't avoid.

[Zelandra]

lol worst source for anything.

ever.

I've stopped reading books and only read wikipedia, and I do better than most people in my class. PERHAPS THERE'S A CONNECTION?

Zelandra sidetracks to other topics like that when the argument starts to wear thin and he needs to spark a new one :p

When I realize that this is indeed a forum infested with retards I just start arguing the same way you guys argue.

[Talorth]

Zel you are a fag, no one likes you go away <3.

[Zelandra]

Zel you are a fag, no one likes you go away <3.

Does it look like I fucking care?

[Talorth]

Yes, otherwise you wouldn't be here all the time baby. You wouldn't have posted your tattoo if you didn't care. LAWL. Showoff your extention to your penis that is your tattoo..

Btw are you uncircumcised? cause thats sweet...! hope it doesn't look like snuffalufagus.

<3.

[lilcookie]

Oh boy I go to lunch, come back, and now this.

[Zelandra]

Yes, otherwise you wouldn't be here all the time baby. You wouldn't have posted your tattoo if you didn't care. LAWL. Showoff your extention to your penis that is your tattoo..

I like the editing first of all. Secondly, yes, I am here "all the time" and by that you mean perhaps 1-2 days a month? I hear rumors about you idiots trying to argue some futile point and I join in for the fun then leave ;o

[Medicalelf]

What if the person you were gonna fuck for kids died in a car accident, or had terminal cancer?


I'm sorry but with something as important as a career you just can't expect to magically get from point A to point B like that. With such an important decision I think you are better off thinking about your major than rushing in to something and changing your mind later.

And yes, I know there are time sensitive things that you can't avoid.

You don't really need a guy to practically fuck to get pregnant. What is the use of a sperm bank? In general people always change their mind and it could be because of the ever changing trend in life. How long would it take you to figure out what you want in life? I think a year is too much to waste on deciding what you really want to go to school to. Well, you can always take a gen ed class for the first 2 years.

[Talorth]

oooo oo hey now, don't get all defensive like a soccer mom does when her kids are told they blow chunks. (that was to zelandra btw LOL!)

[damme]

Haha thats the type of shit we did in my logic class.
Wait what. Logic class? Shouldn't logic class be about you know, formal logic?

[Talorth]

You don't really need a guy to practically fuck to get pregnant. What is the use of a sperm bank? In general people always change their mind and it could be because of the ever changing trend in life. How long would it take you to figure out what you want in life? I think a year is too much to waste on deciding what you really want to go to school to. Well, you can always take a gen ed class for the first 2 years.

LOL i suppose you are right about the sperm bank (I mean thats totally how my seed shall live on, Muwahwhahawhawh.... okay i lied.)

Maybe you and I think differently about a career, I see it as something that I can't just decide and spend the rest of my life doing but thats just me.

Some of us just take time, whereas others can buckle down and do something.

[lilcookie]

Wait what. Logic class? Shouldn't logic class be about you know, formal logic?

Philosophy: Introduction to Logic, which I am skipping right now.
If you're thinking of Computer Logic then yeah, different class, took it last year.

[damme]

Going to a sperm bank is a horrible idea.

[Talorth]

Going to a sperm bank is a horrible idea.

damme just wants some lovin :P.

[Medicalelf]

Tal you have to remember things change some people don't do the same job all their life. Like for example when the dotcom jobs slowed down a lot of people change profession to be able to earn money and live life in the bay area. Like now the housing industry is very bad, our parent company fired 3/4 of the people in that company and some of them are working in that same industry and field for more than 10 yrs. But they are force to go look for another job because their are no jobs for them in that industry. And there are some jobs that is pretty constant, like nurses, doctors(depends on what kind) every town needs one, accountants-in every business they need one and etc.

[BLACK]

I can't decide between some type of doctor or some type of business man.

[Talorth]

you can be the CEO for my panty line.

[Medicalelf]

Thats when I got confused too because I want to be a successful businesswoman someday. That is what I wrote in my yearbook in high school. But then I have to think of a job that will make me earn money and would finance the business that I want to in the future. Also, I took some quizz in our counselor's office to figure out on what field am I good at. And it gives me suggestions of the professions that will fit me interest and personality.

[Talorth]

Tal you have to remember things change some people don't do the same job all their life. Like for example when the dotcom jobs slowed down a lot of people change profession to be able to earn money and live life in the bay area. Like now the housing industry is very bad, our parent company fired 3/4 of the people in that company and some of them are working in that same industry and field for more than 10 yrs. But they are force to go look for another job because their are no jobs for them in that industry. And there are some jobs that is pretty constant, like nurses, doctors(depends on what kind) every town needs one, accountants-in every business they need one and etc.


Yeah, you certainly have a point there.

[BLACK]

Oh yeah, except for being a successful businesswoman requires you not to be totally fucking retarded.

[Medicalelf]

Oh yeah, except for being a successful businesswoman requires you not to be totally fucking retarded.

I don't think retarded people can make a decision though. Some people are just gullible and then they get rob out of their business :(.

[Perant]

this used to be a good topic D:

i hear interns are development gods.

i lol'd, btw

[Zelandra]

this used to be a good topic D:

Just another thread where we got to show who's actually knows what's up, and who's mentally challenged.

[BLACK]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4923/exteel2007112921515960lb9.jpghttp://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1829/exteel2007112921515960vx1.jpg

[Grindrolas]

ever developed a 360 game?
Well, lets see...when I was originally brought on as an intern they were working on one, and the place I'm lead programmer at is also working on one. Microsoft is a pain in the ass when it comes to getting a dev kit out of them, so I sadly can't tell you what its like to work with one of those.

With that said, one of the reasons you're seeing so many games come out for both 360 and PC is *drum roll* the platforms are so similar.

Isn't it ~500 gigaflops, and and the upcoming will be ~1 teraflop?
The G92 (8800GT) last I checked is 1 teraflop, everyone speculated that the G92 was going to be the 9x00 series, but it ended up being the GT :D

i lol'd, btw
Yes, because retail workers obviously know more than someone who is actually inside the industry. Oh wait, I might be "reading too much into what you said" and you'll get all butthurt over it.

Furthermore, where have I ever claimed to be some gaming "god"? I'm pretty damn sure I've got a better idea of what it takes to make a game than anyone who just plays them, but I don't claim to know it all, I probably won't ever know it all. That to me is part of the fun, constantly having to change and learn new techniques.

Funny how NEITHER of you even touched the technical arguments. No no, lets attack the whole intern angle, because OBVIOUSLY that means I don't do anything but fetch coffee. They wouldn't ever trust me with a single line of actual code. Any of you even have any idea how difficult it is to obtain an internship in this industry? Of course not, because you think the industry is all fun and games and don't realize the work it takes to even get a friggin shoe in. Lets ignore the idea that I'm also working as lead programmer at another company that will hopefully get off the ground, and I'll be pretty set straight out of school. Rolling my eyes at this point because despite the two of you thinking you're the gaming "knowledge" gods, when it comes down to it you couldn't have a technical conversation.

[Perant]

Funny how NEITHER of you even touched the technical arguments.

right, because we don't have to. our argument is right and all the technical stuff you've said so far hasn't changed that.

[Talorth]

because god took a giant dump on your face we are always RIGHT! KTHXBAI!

[Zelandra]

right, because we don't have to. our argument is right and all the technical stuff you've said so far hasn't changed that.

I heard the way to win arguments is to argue a different topic and when the other person doesn't reply you claim victory.

I'm still lol:ing at the intern comment.

[Damarus]

I'm still lol'ing at the claiming of victory over Ryan from the Xbox fanbois who think the Xbox is going to save the world from nuclear war in 2020 and produce holographic games and when you get shot in game you die in real life.

"No nothing will ever be better than the 360, it will never peak! No games look better than 360 games. Crysis? That doesn't count because of the holocaust and shit. Game developer? Lol I work at gamestop mang you aint got nothing"

[BLACK]

LOL

[Talorth]

I'm still lol'ing at the claiming of victory over Ryan from the Xbox fanbois who think the Xbox is going to save the world from nuclear war in 2020 and produce holographic games and when you get shot in game you die in real life.

"No nothing will ever be better than the 360, it will never peak! No games look better than 360 games. Crysis? That doesn't count because of the holocaust and shit. Game developer? Lol I work at gamestop mang you aint got nothing"

HITLER THOUGHT HE WOULD WIN!



OH SNAP!


i want a 360 that can make holograms... omg thatd be hot.

[BLACK]

That would be hot indeed.

[Zelandra]

I'm still lol'ing at the claiming of victory over Ryan from the Xbox fanbois who think the Xbox is going to save the world from nuclear war in 2020 and produce holographic games and when you get shot in game you die in real life.

"No nothing will ever be better than the 360, it will never peak! No games look better than 360 games. Crysis? That doesn't count because of the holocaust and shit. Game developer? Lol I work at gamestop mang you aint got nothing"

Claimed victory a long time ago because your beloved intern Ryan has yet to make a valid point to argue us :3

[Talorth]

You're gay.

[BLACK]

You're gay.

[Talorth]

oh snap. you love me <3.

[BLACK]

You know it.

[Perant]

I'm still lol'ing at the claiming of victory over Ryan from the Xbox fanbois who think the Xbox is going to save the world from nuclear war in 2020 and produce holographic games and when you get shot in game you die in real life.

"No nothing will ever be better than the 360, it will never peak! No games look better than 360 games. Crysis? That doesn't count because of the holocaust and shit. Game developer? Lol I work at gamestop mang you aint got nothing"

and i'm still loling at how you guys think you're right about anything here. no one said the 360 had the best graphics available, no one said anything about crysis other than the fact that it's ridiculously expensive to run at it's full capacity, and no one said anything about gamestop employees being more knowledgeable than a developer.

sorry, polarised, but all we said was that we're going to see better 360 games in the coming years. talorth's impressive grasp of screen resolution, grind's position as an intern, or your biting sarcasm, nope, none of it has proved that to be false.

you should be careful with that sarcasm, though, apparently i read words too well, or something

[Talorth]

You really are just beating a dead horse.

[BLACK]

I'm beating off to a dead horse.

[Zelandra]

You really are just beating a dead horse.

So now that the inevitable (the realization that you yourself and your entourage are horridly wrong) has happened, you claim it's a dead horse?

[BLACK]

Price and everything else aside, from this point onward, the 360 will never be able to match the graphics of a true gaming PC. That's what matters to me, although it is fun to play with friends.

[Talorth]

So now that the inevitable (the realization that you yourself and your entourage are horridly wrong) has happened, you claim it's a dead horse?

Your side failed to bring anything to the table, try harder. :P


It is a dead horse, merely for the fact that someone makes 1 small comment of disagreement and it makes 8 pages of defensive bullshit from all of you. It's kind of funny to be honest. You can't let 1 little comment slide without getting sand in your foreskin.


YOU READ TOO MUCH INTO MY POSTS :P

[LordChowder]

Well, lets see...when I was originally brought on as an intern they were working on one, and the place I'm lead programmer at is also working on one. Microsoft is a pain in the ass when it comes to getting a dev kit out of them, so I sadly can't tell you what its like to work with one of those.

With that said, one of the reasons you're seeing so many games come out for both 360 and PC is *drum roll* the platforms are so similar.


thats the longest "No" that i have ever seen. you should be a politician. in anycase im glad we agree that pc gaming has peaked because i got slowdowns on crysis.

[Archaos]

i hate you chowder.

lol

[Grog]

LC's sig makes me want to eat cereal

[LordChowder]

should make you want to go watch its always sunny in philly tbh.

[Grog]

maybe if it came with free cereal

[Zelandra]

should make you want to go watch its always sunny in philly tbh.

One of the better shows on TV tbh.

[Arlington]

thats the longest "No" that i have ever seen. you should be a politician. in anycase im glad we agree that pc gaming has peaked because i got slowdowns on crysis.

Ok so working on 2 360 games is a no.

<blink><blink>

What exactly would have qualified as a yes in your book?

"Remember Halo, I wrote that"

anything short of that?

[LordChowder]

Ok so working on 2 360 games is a no.

<blink><blink>

What exactly would have qualified as a yes in your book?

"Remember Halo, I wrote that"

anything short of that?

i dont see anywhere in there where it says HE worked on 2 360 games. he hasnt even touched a 360 dev kit. maybe its this stupid literacy thing that i have that allows me to read and comprehend things. lucky you, you dont have to worry about that.

[Arlington]

i dont see anywhere in there where it says HE worked on 2 360 games. he hasnt even touched a 360 dev kit. maybe its this stupid literacy thing that i have that allows me to read and comprehend things. lucky you, you dont have to worry about that.

You have a point, the wording is imprecise. Which can leave things up to interpretations. There are the assumptions you made (lets call them the wrong assumptions to keep things simple) and the opposite assumptions I made (the right ones). My assumptions are based on talking to him about this stuff way before this thread was started.

The first example is the most ambiguous. The second example though, where he is the lead programmer of a company working on a 360 title, to me that seems a lot less so. What is it you think a lead programmer does. I'll give you a hit, its not programming all the vcr's in the office to make sure their clocks do not blink.

The dev kit things does seem confusing. As the for-most expert on game development on these forums why don't you fill us in on the details about what the "360 dev kit" does and how it is impossible to write a 360 game with out one.

[LordChowder]

You have a point, the wording is imprecise. Which can leave things up to interpretations. There are the assumptions you made (lets call them the wrong assumptions to keep things simple) and the opposite assumptions I made (the right ones). My assumptions are based on talking to him about this stuff way before this thread was started.

The first example is the most ambiguous. The second example though, where he is the lead programmer of a company working on a 360 title, to me that seems a lot less so. What is it you think a lead programmer does. I'll give you a hit, its not programming all the vcr's in the office to make sure their clocks do not blink.

The dev kit things does seem confusing. As the for-most expert on game development on these forums why don't you fill us in on the details about what the "360 dev kit" does and how it is impossible to write a 360 game with out one.

lol "dev" is short for development. if you cant figure out why you may need a development kit to develope games for a console.. i dont think any level of explaination will help you. especially since im PRETTY sure its against copywrite laws to develope games for 360 unless youre licensed to do so by ms. so kind of important.