For Chowder: What Myth?

[Will]

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[exiledone]

stop with this shit, no one cares, your like some 30 year old conspiracy theorist sitting at home researching shit and posting it on a forum where no one gives two shits.

remove your head from your ass and move on.

[Grawr]

stop with this shit, no one cares, your like some 30 year old conspiracy theorist sitting at home researching shit and posting it on a forum where no one gives two shits.

remove your head from your ass and move on.


so much anger in this one

[Grindrolas]

well shit, some internet user made this out of clips from the tv, it MUST be true.

Hold on, I'm gonna go film myself jacking off, then cut in clips of the WTC falling and claim I caused it.

[BLACK]

Seriously.

Exile hit the nail right on the head.

[BLACK]

I like Maddox's point that if it was true, the people who made the video would be dead and the video would be deleted from the internet.

[Tengil]

Now now guys, dont be hatin.

[//Antisaint]

+1

[Will]

stop with this shit, no one cares, your like some 30 year old conspiracy theorist sitting at home researching shit and posting it on a forum where no one gives two shits.

remove your head from your ass and move on.

Are you Chowder?

[Will]

Seriously.

Exile hit the nail right on the head.

Hey everybody, it's chubby cheeks!

[Will]

well shit, some internet user made this out of clips from the tv, it MUST be true.

Hold on, I'm gonna go film myself jacking off, then cut in clips of the WTC falling and claim I caused it.

I missed you man :p

[Will]

+1

Nice title there. So, you are a real live nigger eh?

[Will]

For those who would simply post negative opinions without debating the content are sheeple:

Sheeple

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Sheeple is a term of disparagement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_disparagement), a portmanteau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau) created by combining the words "sheep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep)" and "people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_%28disambiguation%29)"; a reference to herd mentality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_behavior). It is often used to denote persons who acquiesce to authority, and thus undermine their own human individuality. The implication of sheeple is that as a collective, people believe whatever they are told, without processing it to be sure that it is an accurate representation of the real world around them. The term is generally used in a political or religious sense.



Thats you Grindrolas, Black (lol), Exiledone, Haskiin, Chowder (who was the inspiration for me posting this particular clip) and anyone else who blindly believes what they are told in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[Emillia]

Flame away....

I wouldn't put it past the Bush administration to have done this. Not saying that it happened. But hes crooked as they come.

Up until 9-11 we hadn't had any HUGE catastrophes happen on US soil. The Bush family has been trying since daddy Bush was president to get into Iraq to control the oil supply... Do you really think that the general populous would have ever agreed to go along with invading Iraq without something like this having happened first?? I don't think so. It started out with us being told that the entire reason our troops where being deployed to that part of the world was to go after Bin Laden. Al Queda.. What ever.... When was the last time you heard anything about that? The entire focus changed to Iraq in a short amount of time. It's not even called the war on terror anymore. Its the Iraq Conflict.

I dunno. I try not to watch this crap cause I have family that was deployed to Iraq. A whole side of my family was/is military and to fall into this crap is like saying that I don't support them. What I am saying is that while this stuff is fanatical, if you can watch it with an open mind it makes you think "what the fuck is REALLY going on" Any government will lie and only tell its citizens what they want it to believe to make them look good. Why would anyone think that a weasel like W.Bush his henchmen are any different?

[//Antisaint]

Nice title there. So, you are a real live nigger eh?

Yes.. Yes I am.. Kongshlong and all.. And Billy, Billy is my massah.. I pick his cotton.

[Will]

Flame away....

I wouldn't put it past the Bush administration to have done this. Not saying that it happened. But hes crooked as they come.

Up until 9-11 we hadn't had any HUGE catastrophes happen on US soil. The Bush family has been trying since daddy Bush was president to get into Iraq to control the oil supply... Do you really think that the general populous would have ever agreed to go along with invading Iraq without something like this having happened first?? I don't think so. It started out with us being told that the entire reason our troops where being deployed to that part of the world was to go after Bin Laden. Al Queda.. What ever.... When was the last time you heard anything about that? The entire focus changed to Iraq in a short amount of time. It's not even called the war on terror anymore. Its the Iraq Conflict.

I dunno. I try not to watch this crap cause I have family that was deployed to Iraq. A whole side of my family was/is military and to fall into this crap is like saying that I don't support them. What I am saying is that while this stuff is fanatical, if you can watch it with an open mind it makes you think "what the fuck is REALLY going on" Any government will lie and only tell its citizens what they want it to believe to make them look good. Why would anyone think that a weasel like W.Bush his henchmen are any different?

I was in the USMC for 8yrs. I have friends in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have people I trained there now, fighting for this fallacy. It pains me daily to see their lives (our best and brightest) sacrificed for an imperial agenda hidden behind a farcical war on terror. This is why, in spite of the flames and the idiots (and there are quite a few here), I press on hoping to awaken maybe one or two people. Believe it or not, I have. I will continue to put the truth in people's face until they accept it. Thanks for posting :)

[Will]

Yes.. Yes I am.. Kongshlong and all.. And Billy, Billy is my massah.. I pick his cotton.

And you should be proud.

"Everyone wants to be a nigger but no one wants to be a nigger..." - Paul Mooney

[//Antisaint]

And you should be proud.

"Everyone wants to be a nigger but no one wants to be a nigger..." - Paul Mooney

*raises fist*

[Will]

*raises fist*

*Sigh* such a simple creature, how could you EVER think you are superior to ANYONE?

[//Antisaint]

*Sigh* such a simple creature, how could you EVER think you are superior to ANYONE?

I'm my own best friend? Iono..

[Will]

I'm my own best friend? Iono..

Makes sense to me.

[Grindrolas]

I got cum all over my hands, so that video is gonna take a little longer than expected

I'm not sheeple, I've argued this shit until I'm blue in the face, there is no point in arguing with someone who has their mind made up and refuses to think otherwise.

[Will]

I got cum all over my hands, so that video is gonna take a little longer than expected

I'm not sheeple, I've argued this shit until I'm blue in the face, there is no point in arguing with someone who has their mind made up and refuses to think otherwise.

Dude, sounds like you are the one who has your mind made up. Please, let me know where this clip has it wrong....if you can prove ANY portion of this clip wrong (that means irrefutably) then I will immediately cease posting my so called conspiracy theories. That should be motivation enough for you to at least watch it.

[//Antisaint]

Makes sense to me.

I vote the blacks took down the WTC. I can see them now singing negro-spirituals as they slice perfect angles into the support beams. Leave a few turbans here and there and no one would suspect a thing.. Who's with me?

[Will]

I vote the blacks took down the WTC. I can see them now singing negro-spirituals as they slice perfect angles into the support beams. Leave a few turbans here and there and no one would suspect a thing.. Who's with me?

I absolutely love white people who both hate blacks yet embrace the black culture, even going so far as to emulate their speech, behavior, musical interests, and clothing. It is such an interesting dichotomy. It's like Mr. Feather from Undercover Brother plotting to keep the black man down while listening to Mary J Blige. I have never seen it more prevalent though, then here and L2Blah. People (I use the term loosely) like you and Black should be studied in a lab.

If anyone ever wants to do a sociological study on exactly why that condition exists with so many of today's disaffected white youth, I would love to discuss it. I admit, it has me at a loss.

[//Antisaint]

I absolutely love white people who both hate blacks yet embrace the black culture, even going so far as to emulate their speech, behavior, musical interests, and clothing. It is such an interesting dichotomy. I have never seen it more prevalent though, then here and L2Blah. People (I use the term loosely) like you and Black should studied in a lab.

If anyone ever wants to do a sociological study on exactly why that condition exists with so many of today's disaffected white youth, I would love to discuss it. I admit, it has me at a loss.

Damn, I never knew you were so easy to excite. As for categorizing me via a forum post which so successfully got you hard, I lol'd. I'm not racist tbh.. I hate everyone.

[Grindrolas]

Damn, I never knew you were so easy to excite. As for categorizing me via a forum post which so successfully got you hard, I lol'd. I'm not racist tbh.. I hate everyone.
You're species-ist IMO!

[//Antisaint]

You're species-ist IMO!

Fuck you, my place at 10? <3_<3

[Will]

Damn, I never knew you were so easy to excite. As for categorizing me via a forum post which so successfully got you hard, I lol'd. I'm not racist tbh.. I hate everyone.

Excited? You misunderstand. I guess I am no more excited by your posts then a farmer is at seeing a pile of dung. Its there, it stinks, but for some reason certain beetles call it home. Interesting, that's all.

As to hating everyone, does that include mom and dad?

[//Antisaint]

Excited? You misunderstand. I guess I am no more excited by your posts then a farmer is at seeing a pile of dung. Its there, it stinks, but for some reason certain beetles call it home. Interesting, that's all.

As to hating everyone, does that include mom and dad?

I killed them in thier sleep.

[Will]

I killed them in thier sleep.

Change your title to Dung Beetle, it is far more fitting I think.

[//Antisaint]

Change your title to Dung Beetle, it is far more fitting I think.

owie

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[Grindrolas]

WHEEEEEEE PEDOPHILIA

[Grog]

cinqtupal post more

[Will]

cinqtupal post more

Is "cinqtupal" really a word......what are you up to Grog?

[Will]

owie

Ew7p52McVD0

I'd like to say I found humor in your clip; I'd like to.

[Grog]

of course it isn't a word
i'm just not reading past the first line of your posts. you?

[BLACK]

Hey everybody, it's chubby cheeks!


Hey everybody, it's the dumb nigger that believes conspiracy theories!


Why can't you just focus on basketball like the rest of your kind?

[Will]

of course it isn't a word
i'm just not reading past the first line of your posts. you?

Why even read the first line at all?

[Grog]

lol will makes people racist
call it hope will

[//Antisaint]

MJd3PPek6ds

[Inxile]

I was in the USMC for 8yrs. I have friends in Iraq and Afghanistan. I have people I trained there now, fighting for this fallacy. It pains me daily to see their lives (our best and brightest) sacrificed for an imperial agenda hidden behind a farcical war on terror. This is why, in spite of the flames and the idiots (and there are quite a few here), I press on hoping to awaken maybe one or two people. Believe it or not, I have. I will continue to put the truth in people's face until they accept it. Thanks for posting :)

who are you to say whats truth?

[BLACK]

Oh yes, awakening random people on a random forum will do just SO much. Especially since a good chunk don't even live in the US.



Maybe you might be able to convince me if you could tell me what the fuck this "imperial agenda" might be.

[Tassles]

None of us were present when it happened, so chances are you or I will never know EXACTLY how or why it happened, the administration could be hiding something, it's not impossible, but there is no such thing (yet) as a perfect system of government, nothing beyond the weaknesses of individuals, so why the fuck argue? there have always been people that look for a reason to go to war, call it will to empire or whatever the fuck you want, so if it wasn't this it would be something else.

[BLACK]

Jgfc35 (4:17:29 PM): you are such a fucking whore
Spleak (4:17:29 PM): I've heard much better insults than that, J.
Jgfc35 (4:17:35 PM): bitch fuck your vagina
Spleak (4:17:35 PM): Hey!!

[Tassles]

Jgfc35 (4:17:29 PM): you are such a fucking whore
Spleak (4:17:29 PM): I've heard much better insults than that, J.
Jgfc35 (4:17:35 PM): bitch fuck your vagina
Spleak (4:17:35 PM): Hey!!


I lol'd at the accidental smilies.

[LordChowder]

holy shit! i just watched this non-fact-checked video on the internet, and wow are my eyes open! its clear to me that EVERY MAJOR EVENT SINCE THE DAWN OF MAN, IS THE RESULT OF THE CORRUPTION IN THE US GOVERNMENT(or, the government of the nation that will become the united states IN THE FUTURE)! and not due to pure incompetence on the bush administration and the tangled bureaucracy that is our defense depts. do i think 9/11 could have been prevented? do i think there were clear warning signs? yep. clinton new damn well shit like this was going to happen, and he even almost killed osama right before he left office. he passed on the agenda to the bush administration and they failed to act. its negligence, stupidity, is the real cause of 9/11 not corruption. which they are corrupt, dont get me wrong. but this isnt a comic book, and theyre not the head of the league of villains. i think youve watched too much tv.

[CharlieM]

Stuff like this makes me a sad panda.

I would like to see the credentials of the people making these videos.

I say this, because I have done quite extensive research into how the building could of collapsed like it did, and I presented it to several professors at my uni, and each one of them agreed with my maths.

I accounted for the heaviest estimates of each tower, and the slowest each plane could of hit at, and the towers still fell under my scenario.

After releasing the report, I went and had a look at the 911 report, and what do you know, it was practically the same damn thing.

Explosives did not bring the tower down.

It was a combination of things, I will list them for ya.

1) The plane strike took out several of the floors support struts, designed to hold 50 tons of floor per strutt. The load shifted and was placed on the remaining struts.

2) The plane strike shred the steel of its fire-proofing. When it entered the building, it acted like a giant fletchet shot from a shotgun, exposing the steel directly to any fire.

3) The ensuing fire got hot enough to WEAKEN the steel. The steel did not need to melt, only break down and get weak. The struts supporting the floor were already near peak load, the weakend struts collapsed after they were weakned by the fire, and the floor pancaked, causing every floor above it to come down with it (as it had crushed the core it was connected to when it ripped itself out as it fell).

4) The floor below now had to hold the sum weight of every floor above it, causing it to collapse without any delay.

5) Each floor below collapsed in line with the floors above, this is how the building was designed should the event occur that a floor collapsed or the building became structurally unsound.


The "Thermite" melt points found at the base of the towers is an easy one to explain.

Consider the tower a fixed fulcrum.
Consider the force of a fully loaded fully fueld Airliner slamming into the near top of that fulcrum.

By the very nature of the fulcrum, the energy of the impact will be transfered down the entire structure until it hits the ground. Heat is the most common form of energy in a collision of that size, and heat travels just like electricity...shortest path to ground.

Recreate it at home. Get a spoon, and bend it back and forth a few times whilst holding it at a base point, see where it gets warm.

Multiply those forces by a billion, and youll begin to understand the molten steel in the basements.

You can dismiss actual criticism as sheeple like attitude all you like will, but when you are faced with raw material physics that account the events of the day, then your story has far less credence with me or anyone else with half an educated brain.

Im guessing by the instance of you to keep pushing this story on this board without actually reviewing the 911 report, that you have never taken a physics class in your life, nor have you attempted to recreate it yourself.

The administration did not plan this, but I will concede that they sure as hell took advantage of it.
For that, they should all be put in jail.

[Victis]

Can you explain how building 7 collapsed perfectly in on itself?

Can you explain how an entire plane was vaporized at the pentagon?

Can you explain how a passport was able to make it out of the terrorist's pocket, through the plane, the building, the fire.. and land on the streets of new york untouched?

Please produce another one of these models to explain some of these because I'd really like to Meet Harry Pothead and the Sorcerer stoned.

I don't buy into all of it but there are some serious gaps in the story here...

[exiledone]

so lets sum up this thread, and for you nigga's out there(Will) you might want to get a large orange drink and some watermelon.

Will is a dirty niggro who never went to college joined the marines because all he was good for is the front line, got back and thinks that every white man in government is corrupt and should be thrown into a fiery inferno-like hell pit because osama bin sandnigger hates the united states for being a productive society that doesn't shoot each other because they can't get over the fact that religion is blinding them to reality and blew up the twin towers because we have shit security.

and sure, i'll say nigger, negro, niggro, nigra, but why can't i say that? we call people gay and fags, but we still get along with gay people, we dont shoot them or hang them from tree's when they get out of line and try to learn to read or write or anything.. and don't try to get at me with your reverse psychology bullshit because white-boy isn't a racist term because we weren't persecuted in the cotton fields and if i wanted a white entertainment television it would be racist, but BET isn't racist because your race was enslaved, so heres a T.V. channel sorry about that nigga! nigger means ignorant which is exactly what your proving yourself to be right here right now.

your the one being sheeple, your calling us sheeple because were believing what people tell us? well what people tell us has scientific factual value to it, not some interwebzzz video put together by some fat 35 year old bald conspiracy theorist with nothing better to do but furiously masturbate and make youtube videos. where were you when 9/11 happened? most likely not there trying to save lives, do you know whats running through bush's mind? his staff's minds? no, you have 0 facts, just some coincidence's that all add up to nothing, because if they did have any real fucking value, either the person who knew would be fucking dead, or bush would be getting impeached so quick you couldn't even shit before he was out of office.

So listen Will, do us all a favor.. no no, do yourself a favor and go shoot yourself in the face so the rest of us people who aren't completely fucking stupid have a chance to not mix with your kids, because we wouldn't want more fucking idiots like you running around now would we.

[damme]

LOL is this another WTC conspiracy thread?

[//Antisaint]

LOL is this another WTC conspiracy thread?

I already solved this shit.. Why is it still in debate?

[LordChowder]

i cant believe the people who built the towers would deny such an attack would knock it down, i mean youd think theyd admit to building flaws. but its cool, the professional demolition experts that are news reporters were quick to point out the truth. they never mess up, nore do the uneducated people on the street who heard loud noises. its clear it was an explosion.

[CharlieM]

Can you explain how building 7 collapsed perfectly in on itself?


Thought I addressed that one. Clearly not.
When the plane crashed, it spewed a huge ammount of debris down onto building 7's roof. That building wasnt made to support a few hundred extra tons of crap landing on its roof at 30mph. Shock loading is the quickest way to fuck steel support struts.



Can you explain how an entire plane was vaporized at the pentagon?


lol.
--_RGM4Abv8
The rest of the bits that wernt vaporised were carried off the lawn by pentagon employees. Go back and check the news footage, you see people walking off the lawn with giant chunks of fuselage.


Can you explain how a passport was able to make it out of the terrorist's pocket, through the plane, the building, the fire.. and land on the streets of new york untouched?

Can you explain how thousands of peices of manuscript paper from office rooms througout both buildings mannaged to escape the building as it was collapsing ?

It wouldnt be the first time a peice of paper has not been burnt by fire...it wasnt an incineration oven, it was a flashover of jet fuel and then an office fire.
Talk about clutching at straws, every other peice of evidence thats being slurped up by morons thats been disproven as part of a conspriacy leaves you with only so few peices of remaining unsolved crap.

Its like science filling the gaps of religion.

BUT WHATS BEFORE THE BIG BANG ?!?
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT ?

[Grog]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't turn this into religious debate

[Zelandra]

Thats you Grindrolas, Black (lol), Exiledone, Haskiin, Chowder (who was the inspiration for me posting this particular clip) and anyone else who blindly believes what they are told in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

You mean like how you think there's a conspiracy while there is far more overwhelming evidence that there is none what so ever? I find it funny that you try to put people in a certain group before you even judge yourself.

[Grog]

Thats you Grindrolas, Black (lol), Exiledone, Haskiin, Chowder (who was the inspiration for me posting this particular clip) and anyone else who blindly believes what they are told in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

tbh, they just don't like you

[LordChowder]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't turn this into religious debate


we wont.. UNLESS GOD WILLS IT!

[Grog]

whether or not we do so is determined anyway, as was my attempt to change it

[LordChowder]

IF YOU BELIEVE IN THAT, WHICH I DONT.

[BLACK]

Exile is the FUCKING MAN.

Oh and Charlie owns too.

Crazy ass motherfucker+math nerd>dumb nigger.

[CharlieM]

... because osama bin sandnigger hates the united states for being a productive society that doesn't shoot each other because they can't get over the fact that religion is blinding them to reality and blew up the twin towers because we have shit security.

They actually hate the western world (mainly the US) because weve been desecrating their lands and their society.

Introducing catholocism, and even atheism / agnosticism, coupled with the countless military bases the US have in the mid-east, plus the Isreal state set up in the heart of mecca by the western world, and funded by the western world to let them maintain a militant terrosit attitude towards those who dont follow the judeo-christian philosophies, are the central reasons they hate us.

Its got nothing to do with how we handle our own society within our border, its the fact that we impose our society on them...and they do not want it.

Our society has evolved out of the era of enlightenment with a zest for intelligence, and questioning the way things work.

During that era (300 AD - 600 AD), a muslim cleric bought about a new sect of islam which unified the islamic world and kicked off the crusades, basically made it ilegal to question things that you dont understand, as any questioning of unknowns was considered blasphemy.

If allah wanted you to know how the earth rotates around the sun, he would of told you...STAY AWAY FROM QUESTIONING ALLAH!! (Read: questioning the status quo of the understanding of how things work).

Ever since the middle east have, like all religions around the world, been mainly cherry picking ideas and inventions that come from the west and using them sparingly so as to maintain face with their traditions, but still get a small leg-up in longjeivity.

Main reason why theres 2 arabic nobel laurettes, 1 of whom has a shared prize.
3/4 of the nobel prize winners are jews.

Anyone stop to think why ?

Anyway....thats my bit on why they hate us.
Its because we impose our society on them when they do not want it, or simply are not ready for it yet. They may never be.

[//Antisaint]

They actually hate the western world (mainly the US) because weve been desecrating their lands and their society.

Introducing catholocism, and even atheism / agnosticism, coupled with the countless military bases the US have in the mid-east, plus the Isreal state set up in the heart of mecca by the western world, and funded by the western world to let them maintain a militant terrosit attitude towards those who dont follow the judeo-christian philosophies, are the central reasons they hate us.

Its got nothing to do with how we handle our own society within our border, its the fact that we impose our society on them...and they do not want it.

Our society has evolved out of the era of enlightenment with a zest for intelligence, and questioning the way things work.

During that era (300 AD - 600 AD), a muslim cleric bought about a new sect of islam which unified the islamic world and kicked off the crusades, basically made it ilegal to question things that you dont understand, as any questioning of unknowns was considered blasphemy.

If allah wanted you to know how the earth rotates around the sun, he would of told you...STAY AWAY FROM QUESTIONING ALLAH!! (Read: questioning the status quo of the understanding of how things work).

Ever since the middle east have, like all religions around the world, been mainly cherry picking ideas and inventions that come from the west and using them sparingly so as to maintain face with their traditions, but still get a small leg-up in longjeivity.

Main reason why theres 2 arabic nobel laurettes, 1 of whom has a shared prize.
3/4 of the nobel prize winners are jews.

Anyone stop to think why ?

Anyway....thats my bit on why they hate us.
Its because we impose our society on them when they do not want it, or simply are not ready for it yet. They may never be.


Charlie, you really should have invested in lube.. Now Will is never going to stop being butthurt.. :<

[BLACK]

The main problem of the middle east is Iraq. Get rid of it, and let the people draw their own lines. When the Brits created Iraq, they forced groups to interact that don't necessarily interact so well.

[CharlieM]

The main problem of the middle east is Iraq. Get rid of it, and let the people draw their own lines. When the Brits created Iraq, they forced groups to interact that don't necessarily interact so well.

Not really.
People lived content and happy lives under saddams regime.
Granted he killed a lot of them, that was his way of instilling law within the region, and it worked quite well. He kept 3 completly different religions from slaughtering one another like is whats happening now, a 3-way-split civil war.

Israel has always been a bloodbath, ever since the crusades.
The addition of it being a judeo based state since WW2 has pretty much solidifed hatred of the western world.

It all boils down to that stupid mosque / wall they got there.
One beleives its where david, son of Isaah was born, the other beleives its where the proffit mohammed received word of law by allah himself.

The Wailing Wall is the eastern wall of the holy ground (which once was a HUGE mosque / church). I mean, it was massive, made westminster abby look like a fucking out-house.

WW2, the allies broke the region up and said the jews can have the eastern bank of gaza, the palestinians can have the west bank. No jew is allowed to step foot inside the mosque thats now on top of the ruins, and no muslim is allowed near the wailing wall.

The Wailing Wall is the eastern boundary of the ruined church, and mecca is a giant mosque that sits on top of the ruined church.

See why its such a fucked up region now ?

Its a huge shambles where 2 religions diametrically opposed to one another collide because they both claim it as holy ground, where a proffit talked to god and received their scriptures from heaven.

Its a mess.

This is the root of all problems in the middle east. The sooner we abolish this world of religion the better off we will all be.

[BLACK]

Not really.
People lived content and happy lives under saddams regime.
Granted he killed a lot of them, that was his way of instilling law within the region, and it worked quite well. He kept 3 completly different religions from slaughtering one another like is whats happening now, a 3-way-split civil war.

Israel has always been a bloodbath, ever since the crusades.
The addition of it being a judeo based state since WW2 has pretty much solidifed hatred of the western world.

It all boils down to that stupid mosque / wall they got there.
One beleives its where david, son of Isaah was born, the other beleives its where the proffit mohammed received word of law by allah himself.

The Wailing Wall is the eastern wall of the holy ground (which once was a HUGE mosque / church). I mean, it was massive, made westminster abby look like a fucking out-house.

WW2, the allies broke the region up and said the jews can have the eastern bank of gaza, the palestinians can have the west bank. No jew is allowed to step foot inside the mosque thats now on top of the ruins, and no muslim is allowed near the wailing wall.

The Wailing Wall is the eastern boundary of the ruined church, and mecca is a giant mosque that sits on top of the ruined church.

See why its such a fucked up region now ?

Its a huge shambles where 2 religions diametrically opposed to one another collide because they both claim it as holy ground, where a proffit talked to god and received their scriptures from heaven.

Its a mess.

This is the root of all problems in the middle east. The sooner we abolish this world of religion the better off we will all be.

Right, well I agree we shouldn't have gotten rid of Saddam. The only way to control those monkeys is to use examples.

Putting Israel there fucked everything up, but it's too late to get rid of them. The only way to really help the world would be to kill every Muslim ever.

[CharlieM]

The only way to really help the world would be to kill every Muslim ever.

No, the only way to help the world is pull out all military bases within muslim nations, pull isreal out of the middle east and give them a nice juicy peice of land in the middle of...I dunno...alaska or somethin, and take the wall with them.

Problem solved.

Then its just a matter of no longer being dependant on the mid-east for oil.

[BLACK]

Right, kill all Muslims. Israel is our little puppet in the middle east.

[Hclinton/Brokenex]

Do I think america killed their own people? I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but I highly doubt it.

What I do know is:

If we took the money we have expended on securing our oil supply(our imperialism) and instead used it to invest in our failing educational system/developing alternate forms of energy. We could have energy independance and be a respected leader in the world for something else other than our reckless use of our military.

(cue the kindergarten-esque replies)

[Victis]

The attitude here really kind of disgusts me.. Black is about as ignorant as you can get(about what I'd expect from a 17 yr old kid who lives in his parents bubble), and exile.. don't know what to say dude, you don't really know what you're talking about.. as for your blatant use of the word nigger, it screams "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEE" more than anything, you can say and type the word nigger, get a grip.. goes without saying, you don't go up to a black guy and call him a nigger, you never have, and you never will.. you aren't that dumb.

Charlie, an F4 phantom versus a Jumbo Jet (although they are both planes!!!) are much different.. If the government wanted to step on these 'unfounded allegations' they could just release the video footage they've got from all those cameras.. I mean unless a high ranking member was on these tapes getting head on the front lawn as the plane flew in.. I don't see much point in taking video surveillance of the area and making it all unavailable to anyone..

The first 3 buildings to ever fall from a plane hitting it (well except for building 7) don't just fall, they fall perfectly ontop of themselves.. I mean if 1 one em happened to free-fall down as it crushed 10 floors per second maybe.. but both? And then building 7 perfectly collapses in on itself? All of this can't be coincidence.. why do controlled demolition firms bother using precision explosives when random junk on roof tops and chaos can do the job just the same.. seems like awfully peculiar that all 3 of these building collapsed the exact same way.. all for the first time in history...

I'm pretty much convinced that 9/11 was an inside job.. I don't think terrorists can perform impossible turns in jumbo jets hitting those targets WTC maybe.. Pentagon.. thats gotta be some sort of stunt pilot.. it just seems a little far fetched to me.. lots of holes in the story..

And even if it was proved that 9.11 wasn't coerced by those guys in power (and they do exist..) .. what they are doing now, is ludicrous.. like the US gives a shit about Iraq.. they sure haven't given a shit about anyone but themselves in the past.

[BLACK]

SINCE I WAS BEING 100% SERIOUS!


I <3 my bubble. It's nice and warm.

[BLACK]

Do I think america killed their own people? I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but I highly doubt it.

What I do know is:

If we took the money we have expended on securing our oil supply(our imperialism) and instead used it to invest in our failing educational system/developing alternate forms of energy. We could have energy independance and be a respected leader in the world for something else other than our reckless use of our military.

(cue the kindergarten-esque replies)

The human race as a whole would be so much more advanced without war.

[//Antisaint]

The human race as a whole would be so much more advanced without war.

True, but think of the advancements that have been onset by disaster.. Medical, security, intelligence, so on.. War is by no means an excuse for advancement, but I can't help but imagine where we would be without it.

[BLACK]

There have been alot of technologies that have come from war too.

[//Antisaint]

There have been alot of technologies that have come from war too.

Must have phrased that wrong, but that was my point

[BLACK]

I was agreeing with you. :P

Kinda hard to emphasize words on the internet.

[//Antisaint]

I was agreeing with you. :P

Kinda hard to emphasize words on the internet.

lol internet

[BLACK]

I'm kind of tired. Haven't gotten a decent amount of sleep in a long time.

[Victis]

Tons of stuff came from wars.. like peanut butter!

[BLACK]

And sex.

[exiledone]

and exile.. don't know what to say dude, you don't really know what you're talking about.. as for your blatant use of the word nigger, it screams "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEE" more than anything, you can say and type the word nigger, get a grip.. goes without saying, you don't go up to a black guy and call him a nigger, you never have, and you never will.. you aren't that dumb.


i guess i should have probably put some insert sarcasm tabs in that bitch eh, yuri is black, i love that kid, i have lots of black friends, im just saying the only reason nigger is racial is because they were persecuted, its a real word with a real definition. im a tad tired of us being okay with calling people gay or jew or anything else, but when nigger comes up, WHHOOOOOAAA DOGGY sound the alarms. pretty much nothing in my post was meant super seriously, take it with a grain of salt as you would any rant of mine, refer to post

http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23708

[CharlieM]

Charlie, an F4 phantom versus a Jumbo Jet (although they are both planes!!!) are much different.. If the government wanted to step on these 'unfounded allegations' they could just release the video footage they've got from all those cameras.. I mean unless a high ranking member was on these tapes getting head on the front lawn as the plane flew in.. I don't see much point in taking video surveillance of the area and making it all unavailable to anyone..

Nice, you were going to tell me how an F4 traveling at 400mph and a Jumbo jet traveling at 400mph both slamming into reinforced concrete are different things (other than the size of the plane), but then you just trailed off there talking about how upset you are over the DOD not releasing video evidence of an ongoing investigation.


The first 3 buildings to ever fall from a plane hitting it (well except for building 7) don't just fall, they fall perfectly ontop of themselves.. I mean if 1 one em happened to free-fall down as it crushed 10 floors per second maybe.. but both? And then building 7 perfectly collapses in on itself? All of this can't be coincidence.. why do controlled demolition firms bother using precision explosives when random junk on roof tops and chaos can do the job just the same.. seems like awfully peculiar that all 3 of these building collapsed the exact same way.. all for the first time in history...


Lets ignore the fact that the first 3 buildings that collapsed from a plane strike (ill take your word on that) are pretty much identical in design, at least the twin towers.
So what happens to one, cant possibly happen to the other.
And as to the demolition chaos reference...its not a bunch of people running around in the streets screaming and clamouring for cover that brings down buildings.

All the trade tower building's foundations are connected in the substructure, like a giant mesh.

Wouldnt supprise me at all if the crash caused a shockwave so strong that it weakened the foundations of tower 7. All it needed was say...ohh I dunno, 30 tons of debris sitting on its roof to finish the job ?

Is that too far of a strech of my imagination, or is it simplier to believe some elaborate conspiracy involving more than 300 people at the VERY LEAST all colluding, covering their ass, and making off with the systematic murder of 3000 of their own people, just to turn a proffit ?

And thats not even including the number of casualties in the war.

Bush has trouble getting dressed in the morning.
I just dont see him pulling off something that would require the organisation skills of someone who can at least mannage to put one leg in his pants at a time.

The one point I will concede though Vic, what they are doing now, is more than ludicrous. Its criminal, on an international level.
Bush needs to go to jail, as does Gonzales, and Rummy, and Cheny, and anyone else whos had a hand in fabricating lies to start the war (in the face of known facts), and allowing the ilegal wiretapping of US citizens home and abroad.

Downright criminal.

[LordChowder]

its quite obvious, when youre trying to kill 3000 americans, and make a point. the best thing to do is to implode the structure to limit the damage done to the surroundings! dont want your mass murder to cause any harm to innocent bystanders. i mean, duh.



GET REAL IDIOTS.

[LordChowder]

dont forget about condi charlie, shes either grossly negligent, or more than partly responsible.

[CharlieM]

its quite obvious, when youre trying to kill 3000 americans, and make a point. the best thing to do is to implode the structure to limit the damage done to the surroundings! dont want your mass murder to cause any harm to innocent bystanders. i mean, duh.



Or just design the building so that it implodes when it becomes structurally unsound before hand ?

[LordChowder]

self imploding buildings are the way of the future. get with the times. shit, my house is set to blow if theres a strong wind, or more than one Jehovah's witnesses on my block handing out fliers. im taking no chances.

[Grindrolas]

self imploding buildings are the way of the future. get with the times. shit, my house is set to blow if theres a strong wind, or more than one Jehovah's witnesses on my block handing out fliers. im taking no chances.
one of those fucking assholes just gave me a pamphlet in my god damn elevator. ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS DO MY FUCKING LAUNDRY!

On topic though, I can't believe the number of people who read this shit online and buy it. I remember when I got the internet at age TWELVE, even then I took what I read with a grain of salt.

I'm with Charlie in that, what the government has done in response to 9/11 is criminal, they took advantage of a horrific event and used it to get what they wanted.

[LordChowder]

like i said, ill go one step further and say 9/11 is the governments fault to begin with. they didnt pull the trigger, they just put a sheet over their head and pretended a trigger wasnt about to be pulled. they ignored all evidence of it, theyre incompetent and stupid, but not evil geniuses.

[Zelandra]

For you conspiracy thinkers:

If the government blew up the buildings, don't you think they'd be a little bit more intelligent then to do the exact same thing to both buildings? I mean, there are at least a few smart people in this world, and I bet you that many of them are demolitions experts. If they set up some buildings to seem like they fell down from planes hitting them, would you think they would try to actually make them fall the same way?

It's so easy to just take shit you don't know anything about and form a crusade against people that actually have some sort of brain power. I don't know anything about growing flowers, but do I go out and claim that a flamethrower is the best gardening tool? Nope.

[Victis]

Nice, you were going to tell me how an F4 traveling at 400mph and a Jumbo jet traveling at 400mph both slamming into reinforced concrete are different things (other than the size of the plane), but then you just trailed off there talking about how upset you are over the DOD not releasing video evidence of an ongoing investigation.

I'm really upset, honestly, how could you tell... lol.. you should know there are some major differences between aircraft like the F4 and a Boeing 767..

Boeing 767 Weight (Empty): 190,000 lb or 86,183 kg
Boeing 767 Weight (Full): 412,000 lb or 186,880 kg

F4 Phantom Weight (Empty - No ordnance): 30,328 lb or 13,757 kg
F4 Phantom Weight (Maximum Capacity @ Take off): 61,795 lb or 28,030 kg

RR RB211 Engine:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/RR_RB_211.jpg/400px-RR_RB_211.jpg
GE J79 BMW 11a Engine:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Aircraft_engine_GE_J79-BMW-11a_front.jpg/800px-Aircraft_engine_GE_J79-BMW-11a_front.jpg

Not much point in saying since they are both travelling at the same velocity that ultimately they'll have the exact same result...



Lets ignore the fact that the first 3 buildings that collapsed from a plane strike (ill take your word on that) are pretty much identical in design, at least the twin towers.
So what happens to one, cant possibly happen to the other.

Lets assume the two different aircraft provided the exact same result.




Wouldnt supprise me at all if the crash caused a shockwave so strong that it weakened the foundations of tower 7. All it needed was say...ohh I dunno, 30 tons of debris sitting on its roof to finish the job ?

By finish the job.. you mean force the entire structure to collapse ontop of itself and free fall in the exact same fashion as a controlled demolition? That debris wasn't just debris, thats some random ass precision to me..

Is that too far of a strech of my imagination, or is it simplier to believe some elaborate conspiracy involving more than 300 people at the VERY LEAST all colluding, covering their ass, and making off with the systematic murder of 3000 of their own people, just to turn a proffit ?

I'm not saying what it is or isn't.. I'm saying there are holes in the story, huge ones.. and 'just to turn a profit'? You mean create the gateway to what we're seeing right now? War is money dude, war IS profit.

And thats not even including the number of casualties in the war.

Bush has trouble getting dressed in the morning.
I just dont see him pulling off something that would require the organisation skills of someone who can at least mannage to put one leg in his pants at a time.

The one point I will concede though Vic, what they are doing now, is more than ludicrous. Its criminal, on an international level.
Bush needs to go to jail, as does Gonzales, and Rummy, and Cheny, and anyone else whos had a hand in fabricating lies to start the war (in the face of known facts), and allowing the ilegal wiretapping of US citizens home and abroad.

Downright criminal.

I call it human nature, and we're all fucked by ourselves.. biggest form of masterbating ever.

[BLACK]

one of those fucking assholes just gave me a pamphlet in my god damn elevator. ALL I WANTED TO DO WAS DO MY FUCKING LAUNDRY!

On topic though, I can't believe the number of people who read this shit online and buy it. I remember when I got the internet at age TWELVE, even then I took what I read with a grain of salt.

I'm with Charlie in that, what the government has done in response to 9/11 is criminal, they took advantage of a horrific event and used it to get what they wanted.


I thought you lived in Canada?

[Talorth]

We have jehovahs too?

[LordChowder]

you mean there are people that live in canada? i thought it was all just polar bears and moose.

[damme]

I love how people who havn't even gone to college are trying to predict impacts of air planes in buildings.

[Victis]

I've been to University and College, and unfortunately none of my courses covered structural reactions to large aircraft impacts :(

[CharlieM]

I've been to University and College, and unfortunately none of my courses covered structural reactions to large aircraft impacts :(

So you never took a physics class ?

[Will]

Hey everybody, it's the dumb nigger that believes conspiracy theories!


Why can't you just focus on basketball like the rest of your kind?

Thank you for finally showing your true colors (lol). Please don't pretend to be anything but what you are, ever again (that would be an ignorant racist btw). Embrace your true colors, as I embrace mine. And come up with some better insults then "dumb nigger"; aren't you in college? Better use mommy and daddy's money wisely, or else the dumb niggers will get you.

P.S. Black, rofllmfao!!!!!!!!!

[Will]

who are you to say whats truth?

Let's examine it together then, and see what we can come up with. Don't be like the sheeple here.

[Will]

Oh yes, awakening random people on a random forum will do just SO much. Especially since a good chunk don't even live in the US.



Maybe you might be able to convince me if you could tell me what the fuck this "imperial agenda" might be.

I doubt very seriously I could convince you of anything. You aren't intelligent enough to question yourself or your own belief system. You have been taught to hate and denigrate. You do it enthusiastically, I think, because it makes you feel better about your own worthlessness. Ergo (latin for therefore), how could I ever hope to convince you of anything.

However, if you are seriously asking and unable to look it up in Wikpedia yourself, here you go:

Imperial

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

.

Imperial is a term that is used to describe something that relates to an Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire), Emperor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor), or the concept of Imperialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism).



Agenda may refer to:

Agenda (liturgy) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_%28liturgy%29)
Agenda (meeting) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_%28meeting%29), points to be discussed. It sometimes refers to the list of topics itself.
Political agenda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_agenda), the set of goals of an ideological group. Also used as above, the topics under discussion by a government.
Lotus Agenda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Agenda), a piece of Personal Information Manager software.
The Agenda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Agenda), a current affairs television program aired by TVOntario.
Agenda (poetry journal) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_%28poetry_journal%29), a literary periodical in the United Kingdom.
Agenda (band) (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agenda_%28band%29&action=edit), a Montreal, Canada based rock band.Any questions Chubby Cheeks?

[Will]

None of us were present when it happened, so chances are you or I will never know EXACTLY how or why it happened, the administration could be hiding something, it's not impossible, but there is no such thing (yet) as a perfect system of government, nothing beyond the weaknesses of individuals, so why the fuck argue? there have always been people that look for a reason to go to war, call it will to empire or whatever the fuck you want, so if it wasn't this it would be something else.

Because now, like never before in American history, we are waging war all over the world. We are using the events of Sep 11th 2001 as the justification. This has to stop.

[damme]

Will what do you do for a living? Look up conspiracy theories?

[Tassles]

Thank you for finally showing your true colors (lol). Please don't pretend to be anything but what you are, ever again (that would be an ignorant racist btw). Embrace your true colors, as I embrace mine. And come up with some better insults then "dumb nigger"; aren't you in college? Better use mommy and daddy's money wisely, or else the dumb niggers will get you.

P.S. Black, rofllmfao!!!!!!!!!


Will, I don't know you except by what I've had the chance to read the last few days, and so I'll try to be very careful about making assumptions about you, but you seem to have a severe lack of sarcasm detection.

[Will]

holy shit! i just watched this non-fact-checked video on the internet, and wow are my eyes open! its clear to me that EVERY MAJOR EVENT SINCE THE DAWN OF MAN, IS THE RESULT OF THE CORRUPTION IN THE US GOVERNMENT(or, the government of the nation that will become the united states IN THE FUTURE)! and not due to pure incompetence on the bush administration and the tangled bureaucracy that is our defense depts. do i think 9/11 could have been prevented? do i think there were clear warning signs? yep. clinton new damn well shit like this was going to happen, and he even almost killed osama right before he left office. he passed on the agenda to the bush administration and they failed to act. its negligence, stupidity, is the real cause of 9/11 not corruption. which they are corrupt, dont get me wrong. but this isnt a comic book, and theyre not the head of the league of villains. i think youve watched too much tv.

Tangled bureaucracy? Is that your explanation for the fact that NORAD just "happened" to be running a drill with hijacked aircraft hitting among other things, the world trade center when actual planes were flying into the world trade center? I mean that by itself is a heck of a coincidence. If you look at the events of 7/7 (Train Bombings in UK) and note that, ironically, their security services were running drills with bombings occurring in exactly the same places as they did occur, then you have to begin to at least wonder wtf...unless of course, you are sheeple.

I think you are sheeple.

[Will]

Stuff like this makes me a sad panda.

I would like to see the credentials of the people making these videos.

I say this, because I have done quite extensive research into how the building could of collapsed like it did, and I presented it to several professors at my uni, and each one of them agreed with my maths.

I accounted for the heaviest estimates of each tower, and the slowest each plane could of hit at, and the towers still fell under my scenario.

After releasing the report, I went and had a look at the 911 report, and what do you know, it was practically the same damn thing.

Explosives did not bring the tower down.

It was a combination of things, I will list them for ya.

1) The plane strike took out several of the floors support struts, designed to hold 50 tons of floor per strutt. The load shifted and was placed on the remaining struts.

2) The plane strike shred the steel of its fire-proofing. When it entered the building, it acted like a giant fletchet shot from a shotgun, exposing the steel directly to any fire.

3) The ensuing fire got hot enough to WEAKEN the steel. The steel did not need to melt, only break down and get weak. The struts supporting the floor were already near peak load, the weakend struts collapsed after they were weakned by the fire, and the floor pancaked, causing every floor above it to come down with it (as it had crushed the core it was connected to when it ripped itself out as it fell).

4) The floor below now had to hold the sum weight of every floor above it, causing it to collapse without any delay.

5) Each floor below collapsed in line with the floors above, this is how the building was designed should the event occur that a floor collapsed or the building became structurally unsound.


The "Thermite" melt points found at the base of the towers is an easy one to explain.

Consider the tower a fixed fulcrum.
Consider the force of a fully loaded fully fueld Airliner slamming into the near top of that fulcrum.

By the very nature of the fulcrum, the energy of the impact will be transfered down the entire structure until it hits the ground. Heat is the most common form of energy in a collision of that size, and heat travels just like electricity...shortest path to ground.

Recreate it at home. Get a spoon, and bend it back and forth a few times whilst holding it at a base point, see where it gets warm.

Multiply those forces by a billion, and youll begin to understand the molten steel in the basements.

You can dismiss actual criticism as sheeple like attitude all you like will, but when you are faced with raw material physics that account the events of the day, then your story has far less credence with me or anyone else with half an educated brain.

Im guessing by the instance of you to keep pushing this story on this board without actually reviewing the 911 report, that you have never taken a physics class in your life, nor have you attempted to recreate it yourself.

The administration did not plan this, but I will concede that they sure as hell took advantage of it.
For that, they should all be put in jail.

We have debated this before, you and I. I thank you for your thoughtful and well researched responses. I would like to ask you, regarding the collapses, where did the molten pools of metal come from? Why is it that so many eyewitnesses saw and heard many secondary explosions?

I have NEVER taken a physics class in my life. However, I simply apply common sense to this problem. Three steel building fall at free fall speed due to structural damage caused by fire. Two were hit by planes, one wasn't (supposedly it was damaged be debris). Keeping in mind that in all of recorded history, steel skyscrapers have never collapsed from fire damage (except on 9/11), how do you explain all three buildings collapsing exactly the same way, with exactly the same velocity, with the tell tale "crimp" in the center (always seen with controlled demolition)?

I am not suggesting (nor have I ever) that Bush himself was in on this. He is too fucking stupid to be let in on anything imo. Criminal elements within the US govt did pull this off. And the world hasn't been the same since. Almost 1 millions civilians killed in the name of the War on Terror.

This is not the first "False Flag" operation carried out by our beloved government. It probably won't be the last.

Also, maybe you can explain how jet fuel can transform steel into thermite?????? That doesn't sound "physically" possible to me.

[Tassles]

I think you are sheeple.

Hmmmm, can I be a 'peep' instead? It's still a combination of the two words and I'd much rather be related to delicious marshmallow concoctions in everyone's mind.

[Will]

tbh, they just don't like you

There is no love loss between us, this much we can agree on.

[Will]

You mean like how you think there's a conspiracy while there is far more overwhelming evidence that there is none what so ever? I find it funny that you try to put people in a certain group before you even judge yourself.

I have had plenty of exposure to these sheeple. Rest assured, it isn't a rush to judgment.

[//Antisaint]

Hmmmm, can I be a 'peep' instead? It's still a combination of the two words and I'd much rather be related to delicious marshmallow concoctions in everyone's mind.

I'd eat you.. and figure out what's with the modem so we can Lan tomorrow night.

[Will]

The main problem of the middle east is Iraq. Get rid of it, and let the people draw their own lines. When the Brits created Iraq, they forced groups to interact that don't necessarily interact so well.

Chubby cheeks, geopolitical affairs are definitely, not your forte'. Stick to racial slurs, you are pretty good at those.

[Will]

so lets sum up this thread, and for you nigga's out there(Will) you might want to get a large orange drink and some watermelon.

I thought I covered this, I don't like watermelon.

Will is a dirty niggro who never went to college joined the marines because all he was good for is the front line, got back and thinks that every white man in government is corrupt and should be thrown into a fiery inferno-like hell pit because osama bin sandnigger hates the united states for being a productive society that doesn't shoot each other because they can't get over the fact that religion is blinding them to reality and blew up the twin towers because we have shit security.

Holy shit you are a moron.

and sure, i'll say nigger, negro, niggro, nigra, but why can't i say that? we call people gay and fags, but we still get along with gay people, we dont shoot them or hang them from tree's when they get out of line and try to learn to read or write or anything.. and don't try to get at me with your reverse psychology bullshit because white-boy isn't a racist term because we weren't persecuted in the cotton fields and if i wanted a white entertainment television it would be racist, but BET isn't racist because your race was enslaved, so heres a T.V. channel sorry about that nigga! nigger means ignorant which is exactly what your proving yourself to be right here right now.

I'll just bet that if we met in real life, you wouldn't have the balls to say any of this. That's ok though, I know who I am. You however, by your own warped rationale, have proven yourself to be the nigger. You are ignorant, hateful, intolerant, clueless, and largely unhappy I would suspect.

your the one being sheeple, your calling us sheeple because were believing what people tell us? well what people tell us has scientific factual value to it, not some interwebzzz video put together by some fat 35 year old bald conspiracy theorist with nothing better to do but furiously masturbate and make youtube videos. where were you when 9/11 happened? most likely not there trying to save lives, do you know whats running through bush's mind? his staff's minds? no, you have 0 facts, just some coincidence's that all add up to nothing, because if they did have any real fucking value, either the person who knew would be fucking dead, or bush would be getting impeached so quick you couldn't even shit before he was out of office. The only place left to get unfiltered information is the internet. So saying it is suspect simply because the information comes form that medium proves that you are exactly what I said you are. Sheeple.

So listen Will, do us all a favor.. no no, do yourself a favor and go shoot yourself in the face so the rest of us people who aren't completely fucking stupid have a chance to not mix with your kids, because we wouldn't want more fucking idiots like you running around now would we.

Sorry, you will have to endure me I'm afraid.

[Will]

You mean like how you think there's a conspiracy while there is far more overwhelming evidence that there is none what so ever? I find it funny that you try to put people in a certain group before you even judge yourself.

More then anything, I have been attacking the official "conspiracy theory" of 19 Arabs pulling this off directed by Osama Bin Laden (in his cave on a dialysis machine).

Also, am still waiting for someone to explain to me how so many of the hijackers are still alive. Even CharlieM won't touch that one.

[Will]

They actually hate the western world (mainly the US) because weve been desecrating their lands and their society.

Introducing catholocism, and even atheism / agnosticism, coupled with the countless military bases the US have in the mid-east, plus the Isreal state set up in the heart of mecca by the western world, and funded by the western world to let them maintain a militant terrosit attitude towards those who dont follow the judeo-christian philosophies, are the central reasons they hate us.

Its got nothing to do with how we handle our own society within our border, its the fact that we impose our society on them...and they do not want it.

Our society has evolved out of the era of enlightenment with a zest for intelligence, and questioning the way things work.

During that era (300 AD - 600 AD), a muslim cleric bought about a new sect of islam which unified the islamic world and kicked off the crusades, basically made it ilegal to question things that you dont understand, as any questioning of unknowns was considered blasphemy.

If allah wanted you to know how the earth rotates around the sun, he would of told you...STAY AWAY FROM QUESTIONING ALLAH!! (Read: questioning the status quo of the understanding of how things work).

Ever since the middle east have, like all religions around the world, been mainly cherry picking ideas and inventions that come from the west and using them sparingly so as to maintain face with their traditions, but still get a small leg-up in longjeivity.

Main reason why theres 2 arabic nobel laurettes, 1 of whom has a shared prize.
3/4 of the nobel prize winners are jews.

Anyone stop to think why ?

Anyway....thats my bit on why they hate us.
Its because we impose our society on them when they do not want it, or simply are not ready for it yet. They may never be.


Charlie, you seem to have a decent grasp of why they hate us. Makes you wonder why we keep pushing them into the proverbial corner.

[//Antisaint]

How the fuck did this happen? We lost monroe and gained Will..

Will must'a ebayed for his epic high horse damn him..

[Will]

Exile is the FUCKING MAN.

Oh and Charlie owns too.

Crazy ass motherfucker+math nerd>dumb nigger.

Will>Chubby Cheeks

[Will]

Will what do you do for a living? Look up conspiracy theories?

I earned over 200k last year as residential and commercial loan officer. Now I have my own shop. I do spend some time searching for the truth and provoking discussion.

[Will]

How the fuck did this happen? We lost monroe and gained Will..

Will must'a ebayed for his epic high horse damn him..

I was here before Monroe. I got my high horse as a drop actually.

[Will]

Will, I don't know you except by what I've had the chance to read the last few days, and so I'll try to be very careful about making assumptions about you, but you seem to have a severe lack of sarcasm detection.

Sarcasm is my middle name. I have been trying to draw Black out on his race issues ever since he posted something from a White Supremacist web site on blah a year ago. Finally, I have succeeded.

Will>Chubby Cheeks.

[Tassles]

This all feels wrong, as if this thread is all some twisted way for will to up his post count.

+1

take that bastard.

[Will]

its quite obvious, when youre trying to kill 3000 americans, and make a point. the best thing to do is to implode the structure to limit the damage done to the surroundings! dont want your mass murder to cause any harm to innocent bystanders. i mean, duh.



GET REAL IDIOTS.

Only one problem with that, the 9/11 commission report says the buildings (not WTC 7) fell because of fire damage. If they were imploded, that is leveled by controlled demolition, then you have to consider when the explosive charges were planted.

They weren't protecting bystanders, there were protecting other buildings.

[//Antisaint]

This all feels wrong, as if this thread is all some twisted way for will to up his post count.

+1

take that bastard.

Seconded... bitch.

[Will]

This all feels wrong, as if this thread is all some twisted way for will to up his post count.

+1

take that bastard.

LOL, I shouldn't have started this on a Friday. Also, it really was just for Chowder, who seems to want to bring up my beliefs on 9/11 with every single thing I post about. What can I say, my threads tend to be active.

[Will]

i guess i should have probably put some insert sarcasm tabs in that bitch eh, yuri is black, i love that kid, i have lots of black friends, im just saying the only reason nigger is racial is because they were persecuted, its a real word with a real definition. im a tad tired of us being okay with calling people gay or jew or anything else, but when nigger comes up, WHHOOOOOAAA DOGGY sound the alarms. pretty much nothing in my post was meant super seriously, take it with a grain of salt as you would any rant of mine, refer to post

http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23708

Slave owners used to make a habit of having sex with female slaves. You could say they "loved' them. Saying you have a "black" friend as a defense when accused of racism is extremely transparent. Only a racist would spew the shit you spew. If you want to hide behind faux sarcasm (when none of what you posted was actually sarcastic) then that is your business. However, I am not fooled. You are a racist, just admit it and embrace. Don't be confused like Chubby Cheeks was.

[Will]

like i said, ill go one step further and say 9/11 is the governments fault to begin with. they didnt pull the trigger, they just put a sheet over their head and pretended a trigger wasnt about to be pulled. they ignored all evidence of it, theyre incompetent and stupid, but not evil geniuses.

Let it happen on purpose, interesting, that is what many of the "so called" conspiracy theorists think. Careful dude, it's a slippery slope.

[Will]

For you conspiracy thinkers:

If the government blew up the buildings, don't you think they'd be a little bit more intelligent then to do the exact same thing to both buildings? I mean, there are at least a few smart people in this world, and I bet you that many of them are demolitions experts. If they set up some buildings to seem like they fell down from planes hitting them, would you think they would try to actually make them fall the same way?

It's so easy to just take shit you don't know anything about and form a crusade against people that actually have some sort of brain power. I don't know anything about growing flowers, but do I go out and claim that a flamethrower is the best gardening tool? Nope.

My personal belief is they underestimated the internet. This is the first False Flag operation perpetrated with a free and open internet. Too many people have access to information that would otherwise not be accessible. In the past, with the Gulf of Tonkein incident for example, there was no platform for this kind of open debate.

[Will]

Phew, is that everyone?

[//Antisaint]

Who made the cliche' of niggers (freebie for you will, running out of em) having superior rhythm?

Pxhz3YU0s6I

[Grog]

shouldn't you being trying to persuade people not to be racist, instead of convincing them that they are, will?

[Will]

shouldn't you being trying to persuade people not to be racist, instead of convincing them that they are, will?

I have tried that route. You can't persuade someone to stop being ignorant, they have to choose that willingly.

[Grog]

then surely convincing them that they are has no effect? perhaps even a negative one if they were to embrace thier 'racist' views fully

[Will]

Who made the cliche' of niggers (freebie for you will, running out of em) having superior rhythm?

Pxhz3YU0s6I

Didn't watch the clip (was afraid to actually, due to the last one you posted). However, to answer your question, it wasn't me. To further elaborate, I have seen white guys out dance black guys. I have seen white guys run faster then black guys. I have seen white guys jump higher then black guys. I have seen white guys play basketball better then black guys. I have seen white guys eat collared greens and corn bread and I have seen black guys vomit at the sight if it.

My point is not to make you feel superior (because I know you already do), my point is to illustrate that for every racial stereotype attributed to blacks, I have seen examples of blacks who did not fit any of them. Also, I have seen blacks that did fit some of the stereotypes. Finally, I have seen white guys that fit all of the traditionally black stereotypes.

Using stereotypes to filter your reality is ignorant, plain and simple. Whites and blacks have way more in common then they have in difference. People like you focus on those minuscule differences in lieu of the larger truth; that we are all human and basically want the same things; focusing on our differences (the few that there are) instead of embracing our similarities is ridiculously simplistic and puerile. However, you seem to be having fun with it so more power to you (white power that is).

[Will]

then surely convincing them that they are has no effect? perhaps even a negative one if they were to embrace thier 'racist' views fully

I would much prefer them in the open. I am a firm believer in the First Amendment. Also, many of them aren't convinced they are racists (most likely because somewhere, deep down, they know they are the lowest order of scum in our society). In order to solve a problem you must first define it. People like Chubby Cheeks and Inxile aren't even aware they are racist. If all I do is help them to see who they are, then maybe I have helped them just a bit.

[Grog]

...lol

[//Antisaint]

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=contoversy

[//Antisaint]

Didn't watch the clip (was afraid to actually, due to the last one you posted). However, to answer your question, it wasn't me. To further elaborate, I have seen white guys out dance black guys. I have seen white guys run faster then black guys. I have seen white guys jump higher then black guys. I have seen white guys play basketball better then black guys. I have seen white guys eat collared greens and corn bread and I have seen black guys vomit at the sight if it.

My point is not to make you feel superior (because I know you already do), my point is to illustrate that for every racial stereotype attributed to blacks, I have seen examples of blacks who did not fit any of them. Also, I have seen blacks that did fit some of the stereotypes. Finally, I have seen white guys that fit all of the traditionally black stereotypes.

Using stereotypes to filter your reality is ignorant, plain and simple. Whites and blacks have way more in common then they have in difference. People like you focus on those minuscule differences in lieu of the larger truth; that we are all human and basically want the same things; focusing on our differences (the few that there are) instead of embracing our similarities is ridiculously simplistic and puerile. However, you seem to be having fun with it so more power to you (white power that is).

AH! Not watching the clip was proof of your forced agenda without allowing means of intellectual debate.. <3 the response to the stereotype card, how stereotypical of you.. Lol @ anything serious on the internetZ..

[exiledone]

will i dont feel like breaking and qouting your broken up qouting, but you have tunnel vision, no sense of sarcasm, and if you honestly think im racist, get the fuck off the internet.

[//Antisaint]

will i dont feel like breaking and qouting your broken up qouting, but you have tunnel vision, no sense of sarcasm, and if you honestly think im racist, get the fuck off the internet.

Racist bitch.. <3

[Grindrolas]

I'd say its pretty well known that Will has no sense of sarcasm, he answer Chowders implode post seriously, lol.

[exiledone]

I'd say its pretty well known that Will has no sense of sarcasm, he answer Chowders implode post seriously, lol.

INNNNNERRRRNETZZZZZZZZZ YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Grog]

if will says there's no sarcasm, THERE'S NO SARCASM
if will says you're a racist, YOU'RE A RACIST

[CharlieM]

We have debated this before, you and I. I thank you for your thoughtful and well researched responses. I would like to ask you, regarding the collapses, where did the molten pools of metal come from? Why is it that so many eyewitnesses saw and heard many secondary explosions?

I have NEVER taken a physics class in my life. However, I simply apply common sense to this problem. Three steel building fall at free fall speed due to structural damage caused by fire. Two were hit by planes, one wasn't (supposedly it was damaged be debris). Keeping in mind that in all of recorded history, steel skyscrapers have never collapsed from fire damage (except on 9/11), how do you explain all three buildings collapsing exactly the same way, with exactly the same velocity, with the tell tale "crimp" in the center (always seen with controlled demolition)?

I am not suggesting (nor have I ever) that Bush himself was in on this. He is too fucking stupid to be let in on anything imo. Criminal elements within the US govt did pull this off. And the world hasn't been the same since. Almost 1 millions civilians killed in the name of the War on Terror.

This is not the first "False Flag" operation carried out by our beloved government. It probably won't be the last.

Also, maybe you can explain how jet fuel can transform steel into thermite?????? That doesn't sound "physically" possible to me.

The "Thermite" melt points found at the base of the towers is an easy one to explain.

Consider the tower a fixed fulcrum.
Consider the force of a fully loaded fully fueld Airliner slamming into the near top of that fulcrum.

By the very nature of the fulcrum, the energy of the impact will be transfered down the entire structure until it hits the ground. Heat is the most common form of energy in a collision of that size, and heat travels just like electricity...shortest path to ground.

Recreate it at home. Get a spoon, and bend it back and forth a few times whilst holding it at a base point, see where it gets warm.

Multiply those forces by a billion, and youll begin to understand the molten steel in the basements.


The molten steel wasnt found at the level that the planes hit, it was found in the basement.
The twin towers were DESIGNED to fall the way they did, it was a safety redundancy to prevent it from falling over in the middle of NY if it got to the point where it was going to collapse.

Worked like a treat.

As for the explosions heard at the lower levels, that would be the tower buckeling under the severe force.

[Grindrolas]

STOP IT CHARLIE, YOUR COMMON SENSE AND SCIENCE IS RUINING THIS THEORY ALSO!

[LordChowder]

Let it happen on purpose, interesting, that is what many of the "so called" conspiracy theorists think. Careful dude, it's a slippery slope.

black informs me you are a dumb nigger, i tend to agree with this state of mind seeing as how you cant read. i clearly said it was due to incompetence. they didnt let shit happen on purpose. slippery slope of dildos slanted at 45 degrees so they can ram you in your ass the entire way down i suppose. youd have to be an idiot to believe the shit you say. and ignorant to ignore the real common sense, that your government is to incompetent to pull this off. but thank god, all the people that it would have taken to plant the explosives, plan the wars, deal with the proper planning of destroying so many buildings (and still worry about planning the safety of nearby buildings! wouldnt wanna hurt those). ALL THOSE PEOPLE. NOONE HAS SAD A DAMN THING. go figure, its obvious that all the hundreds of people who would have had to know about this plan, not one has any remorse for killing thousands of american lives. dude, hate to break it to you - THERES NO SECRETS OF THIS SCALE EVER, FOR A REASON. only one thing is more powerful than such an evil organization that is apparently the american government. thats money, and a book deal. both of which anyone would have gotten if they had a story to tell. lol just setting the phsyics, the politics and everything else aside. thats the main reason why this is all bullshit. noone passes up a book deal. noone.

[LordChowder]

The molten steel wasnt found at the level that the planes hit, it was found in the basement.
The twin towers were DESIGNED to fall the way they did, it was a safety redundancy to prevent it from falling over in the middle of NY if it got to the point where it was going to collapse.

Worked like a treat.

As for the explosions heard at the lower levels, that would be the tower buckeling under the severe force.

sounds like bs to me, im starting to believe now that i just finally got an email with the whereabouts of all the bush administrations top officials on the evening of september 10th. you wont like what you see.

http://www.madriders.com/Ninjas.jpg

[BLACK]

LOL

[Victis]

LC you really think the ones calling the shots are the Gov't?









seriously?

[LordChowder]

LC you really think the ones calling the shots are the Gov't?









seriously?

What? ofcourse not, its me calling the shots. but im going to assume you mean big business is calling the shots? that gets into corruption, and while big business hold alot of clout, do you honestly think they caused 9/11? but the simple answer is yes, i do think the government is running the country, not a secret web of organized crime. running it poorly, but running it.

[Damarus]

I stopped reading this thread at page 6 because I am getting far too frustrated by the controlled demolition theorists...

Firstly Victis, you said something like why do they use controlled demolition (I'll assume you meant building implosion as a method of demolition [all demolition performed by workers is controlled, regardless of method]. And I know this wasn't exactly what you said - I can't be bothered back tracking to find it). For starters they rarely do. It is a last resort technique when other methods are too impractical or costly - as it is obviously very dangerous. And secondly, building implosion does NOT involve alteration of the physical structure of a building. Preparation goes as far as removing services (electrical/hydraulic/mechanical), and any other shit they might want to get out of there (obviously furniture, etc). Minimal explosives are used to make the building collapse on itself, the rest of the work the building does itself - in the case of a skyscraper as it was designed to (obviously to limit damage in the event of said collapse).

It's not hard to think about the destruction the WTC towers would've caused had they not fallen uniformly, and quite easy to recognise the significance of preventing this from being possible in the first place in my opinion - so why people don't see that buildings of such a high stature are designed not to fall like a clump of shit from a horses bum is beyond me. Wishful thinking no doubt, I don't blame you it makes things exciting.


As far as the molten metal - Charlie answered this I am sure of it, so you have selective reading if you didn't spot this. And as far as fire damage goes - If you've watched as many 9/11 videos as I imagine you all have (but mostly you Will as I think you raised this query) - you would've seen the many that discussed the fire proofing of the building (or extreme lack of and inferiority of - Do not underestimate the severity of this issue), and the extreme ease with which steel loses structural integrity under extreme heat (couple all this talk of heat with charlie's post on transfer of energy. Also note: loss of structural integrity is a loss of capability to carry load - often inducing things like sagging and warping. It doesn't mean it snapped or blew up or anything), and it pretty much gives an explanation to conform with the crashing of the planes into the tower.


Now as far as secondary explosions go - It's not very well known the amount of mechanical services and plant that goes into a skyscraper. I don't know the design of the WTC mechanical services, but as an example an 80ish story skyscraper will generally have around 3 floors devoted to mechanical plant (based off of a couple that I do know the design for). This is to provide heating and cooling to the entire building (It's not as simple as plugging in a wall mounted air conditioner - people underestimate HVAC). This involves EXTREMELY large air handling units (lets just say - fans), chillers/boilers and obviously a great deal of electronics/components/switchboards/sensors/etc.

Now there is water, air and refrigerant running through the building at extremely high pressures in order to condition each floor space, and these chillers/boilers and AHU's (and associated FCU's) total up to TONNES of metal/insulation/etc. I've seen boilers in universities even, that are the size of school buses. Now I'm not saying its the only cause of these secondary explosions, or even the definite cause (mind you these explosions are heresay in the first place), but it is extremely easy to explain them as the detonation of mechanical plant - and that's without me trying to find any other possible source, or even researching the WTC's. This isn't having a go at speculating about the explosions - this is just giving a small incite for those without construction/architecture knowledge as to an easy explanation.


Now there's probly a fair few points you can argue on with me there, I don't claim to know everything or always be right, but please - bring to the table some kind of knowledge of structural engineering/demolition/architecture instead of just using guesses (ie. it looks the same as controlled demolition!) as your evidence. I don't mind people thinking things like this - you can't know everything after all, but it annoys me when people try to use it as a valid point in a discussion instead of treating it as what it is - you guessing at a possible answer for a question that stretches beyond your understanding of a situation.

[//Antisaint]

I stopped reading this thread at page 6 because I am getting far too frustrated by the controlled demolition theorists...

Firstly Victis, you said something like why do they use controlled demolition (I'll assume you meant building implosion as a method of demolition [all demolition performed by workers is controlled, regardless of method]. And I know this wasn't exactly what you said - I can't be bothered back tracking to find it). For starters they rarely do. It is a last resort technique when other methods are too impractical or costly - as it is obviously very dangerous. And secondly, building implosion does NOT involve alteration of the physical structure of a building. Preparation goes as far as removing services (electrical/hydraulic/mechanical), and any other shit they might want to get out of there (obviously furniture, etc). Minimal explosives are used to make the building collapse on itself, the rest of the work the building does itself - in the case of a skyscraper as it was designed to (obviously to limit damage in the event of said collapse).

It's not hard to think about the destruction the WTC towers would've caused had they not fallen uniformly, and quite easy to recognise the significance of preventing this from being possible in the first place in my opinion - so why people don't see that buildings of such a high stature are designed not to fall like a clump of shit from a horses bum is beyond me. Wishful thinking no doubt, I don't blame you it makes things exciting.


As far as the molten metal - Charlie answered this I am sure of it, so you have selective reading if you didn't spot this. And as far as fire damage goes - If you've watched as many 9/11 videos as I imagine you all have (but mostly you Will as I think you raised this query) - you would've seen the many that discussed the fire proofing of the building (or extreme lack of and inferiority of - Do not underestimate the severity of this issue), and the extreme ease with which steel loses structural integrity under extreme heat (couple all this talk of heat with charlie's post on transfer of energy. Also note: loss of structural integrity is a loss of capability to carry load - often inducing things like sagging and warping. It doesn't mean it snapped or blew up or anything), and it pretty much gives an explanation to conform with the crashing of the planes into the tower.


Now as far as secondary explosions go - It's not very well known the amount of mechanical services and plant that goes into a skyscraper. I don't know the design of the WTC mechanical services, but as an example an 80ish story skyscraper will generally have around 3 floors devoted to mechanical plant (based off of a couple that I do know the design for). This is to provide heating and cooling to the entire building (It's not as simple as plugging in a wall mounted air conditioner - people underestimate HVAC). This involves EXTREMELY large air handling units (lets just say - fans), chillers/boilers and obviously a great deal of electronics/components/switchboards/sensors/etc.

Now there is water, air and refrigerant running through the building at extremely high pressures in order to condition each floor space, and these chillers/boilers and AHU's (and associated FCU's) total up to TONNES of metal/insulation/etc. I've seen boilers in universities even, that are the size of school buses. Now I'm not saying its the only cause of these secondary explosions, or even the definite cause (mind you these explosions are heresay in the first place), but it is extremely easy to explain them as the detonation of mechanical plant - and that's without me trying to find any other possible source, or even researching the WTC's. This isn't having a go at speculating about the explosions - this is just giving a small incite for those without construction/architecture knowledge as to an easy explanation.


Now there's probly a fair few points you can argue on with me there, I don't claim to know everything or always be right, but please - bring to the table some kind of knowledge of structural engineering/demolition/architecture instead of just using guesses (ie. it looks the same as controlled demolition!) as your evidence. I don't mind people thinking things like this - you can't know everything after all, but it annoys me when people try to use it as a valid point in a discussion instead of treating it as what it is - you guessing at a possible answer for a question that stretches beyond your understanding of a situation.

He's got a sexy ass.. AND a brain!

[Will]

black informs me you are a dumb nigger, i tend to agree with this state of mind seeing as how you cant read. i clearly said it was due to incompetence. they didnt let shit happen on purpose. slippery slope of dildos slanted at 45 degrees so they can ram you in your ass the entire way down i suppose. youd have to be an idiot to believe the shit you say. and ignorant to ignore the real common sense, that your government is to incompetent to pull this off. but thank god, all the people that it would have taken to plant the explosives, plan the wars, deal with the proper planning of destroying so many buildings (and still worry about planning the safety of nearby buildings! wouldnt wanna hurt those). ALL THOSE PEOPLE. NOONE HAS SAD A DAMN THING. go figure, its obvious that all the hundreds of people who would have had to know about this plan, not one has any remorse for killing thousands of american lives. dude, hate to break it to you - THERES NO SECRETS OF THIS SCALE EVER, FOR A REASON. only one thing is more powerful than such an evil organization that is apparently the american government. thats money, and a book deal. both of which anyone would have gotten if they had a story to tell. lol just setting the phsyics, the politics and everything else aside. thats the main reason why this is all bullshit. noone passes up a book deal. noone.

Seems to me you are the dumb nigger (even if of the sand variety). You cant even read your own writing. If the government let it happen on purpose, then they are criminals. If they took advantage of the results to foster a foreign policy of imperialism (which has killed close to 1 million civilians), then they are war criminals and should be immediately turned over to the Hague. What you are saying is you don't believe the government. You say you agree they let it happen on purpose. Then I ask you, tool o' mine, why the fuck are we arguing. At best I can state we have been lied to. You agree.

Also, you seem to be supposing an awful lot as to how the alleged conspiracy took place. Is this a theory of yours? Of course there are no secrets of this scale. The last DOCUMENTED false flag operation carried out by the government was the Gulf Of Tonkein. Have you ever heard of it. It was the precursor to our ground troop involvement in the Vietnam War. Google it dude, this isn't the first time.

Finally, by Black do you mean Chubby Cheeks?

[Will]

What? ofcourse not, its me calling the shots. but im going to assume you mean big business is calling the shots? that gets into corruption, and while big business hold alot of clout, do you honestly think they caused 9/11? but the simple answer is yes, i do think the government is running the country, not a secret web of organized crime. running it poorly, but running it.

All you have to do is look who has benefited the most from 9/11 and you will have a pretty good idea of who was behind it. Take your head out of your ass already, you are too intelligent to be this stupid.

[//Antisaint]

Less is more

[Will]

To CharlieM (have to take you out of your comfort zone a bit) and anyone else still unsure about the fallacy of the "Official 9/11 Conspiracy":

19 Hijackers died on 9/11 yet some of them are still alive. Also, there were no Arab names on any of the flight manifests. Interesting.

Osama Bin Laden (according to the Bush Administration) directed the events of 9/11 from a cave in Afghanistan yet the FBI will not link him to 9/11. Interesting.


The 9/11 Commission made no effort to investigate the money trail which financed the attacks stating "it is of no consequence". What?

Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath(or separately) at the 9/11 commision. Huh?

Everything in the 9/11 Commssion Report was approved by Bush (and the head of the commission was one of his former staffers). Hmm.

Our Air defense was frozen for 80minutes (Cheney was in charge of Norad) when it normally takes about 10 min to scramble jets. WTF.

That should be sufficient for now for these are the areas no one here can or has tried to refute.

Discuss.

[//Antisaint]

To CharlieM (have to take you out of your comfort zone a bit) and anyone else still unsure about the fallacy of the "Official 9/11 Conspiracy":

19 Hijackers died on 9/11 yet some of them are still alive.

Osama Bin Laden (according to the Bush Administration) directed the events of 9/11 from a cave in Afghanistan yet the FBI will not link him to 9/11.




The 9/11 Commission made no effort to investigate the money trail which financed the attacks stating "it is of no consequence".

Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath(or separately) at the 9/11 commision.

Everything in the 9/11 Commssion Report was approved by Bush (and the head of the commission was one of his former staffers).

Our Air defense was frozen for 80minutes when it normally takes about 10 min to scramble jets.

That should be sufficient for now for these are the areas no one here can or has tried to refute.

Discuss.



THIS JUST IN! MICHAEL JACKSON IS ACTUALLY.. YES, HE'S BLACK.

c\_/ empty

[Will]

THIS JUST IN! MICHAEL JACKSON IS ACTUALLY.. YES, HE'S BLACK.

c\_/ empty




But but, Michael Jackson doesn't have Chubby Cheeks, he is rather gaunt actually....I'm confused.

[Will]

I'd say its pretty well known that Will has no sense of sarcasm, he answer Chowders implode post seriously, lol.

Chowder's superlative sarcasm is no mystery, I've been trying to shake him out of it.

[//Antisaint]

But but, Michael Jackson doesn't have Chubby Cheeks, he is rather gaunt actually....I'm confused.

Seen the preview for 1408? (not sure that's the correct title)

lgLm4_fq6GY

[Will]

like i said, ill go one step further and say 9/11 is the governments fault to begin with. they didnt pull the trigger, they just put a sheet over their head and pretended a trigger wasnt about to be pulled. they ignored all evidence of it, theyre incompetent and stupid, but not evil geniuses.

Did you forget you wrote this Chowder, what's up man, smoking cheeba or what; I think your short term memory is suspect.

[Will]

Seen the preview for 1408? (not sure that's the correct title)

lgLm4_fq6GY

Seen it.

[//Antisaint]

Seen it.

Fucking epic!

[Will]

I like the new title, I think I will keep it as a testament to race relations, who gave it I wonder......

Actually, "Nigger" Jim would be more appropriate I think, "Charlie" is sort of a slur against whites (if you are from down south).

[//Antisaint]

I like the new title, I think I will keep it as a testament to race relations, who gave it I wonder......

Actually, "Nigger" Jim would be more appropriate I think, "Charlie" is sort of a slur against whites (if you are from down south).

Can't we all get alone?

[Will]

Can't we all get alone?

Of course we can, we just need little more time to understand....wait, are you seriours :p

[//Antisaint]

Of course we can, we just need little more time to understand....wait, are you seriours :p

serious* why wouldn't I be? <3

My suppressed gay love for John Cusack is clouding my judgement

[Will]

serious* why wouldn't I be? <3

My suppressed gay love for John Cusack is clouding my judgement

Hmm, can't touch that one, but have a blast.

[Talorth]

To CharlieM (have to take you out of your comfort zone a bit) and anyone else still unsure about the fallacy of the "Official 9/11 Conspiracy":

19 Hijackers died on 9/11 yet some of them are still alive. Also, there were no Arab names on any of the flight manifests. Interesting.

Osama Bin Laden (according to the Bush Administration) directed the events of 9/11 from a cave in Afghanistan yet the FBI will not link him to 9/11. Interesting.


The 9/11 Commission made no effort to investigate the money trail which financed the attacks stating "it is of no consequence". What?

Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath(or separately) at the 9/11 commision. Huh?

Everything in the 9/11 Commssion Report was approved by Bush (and the head of the commission was one of his former staffers). Hmm.

Our Air defense was frozen for 80minutes (Cheney was in charge of Norad) when it normally takes about 10 min to scramble jets. WTF.

That should be sufficient for now for these are the areas no one here can or has tried to refute.

Discuss.

We haven't refuted these claims because to do so would be.... futile.
What you fail to realise is I have no quarrels with conspiracy theories. However the idea that the Bush administration could orchestrate something like 9/11 is a little unbelievable (We are talking about an administration backed by a man who choked on a pretzel after all.) Furthermore, I have no idea where you got this source of information. It could of come from anywhere, and as we all know the internet has the amazing ability to make things sound good. The bolded part however, is not entirely unplausible, but it goes without merit, and kind of relies on the intelligence of rather stupid conspiracy theorists.

The situation with NORAD is a troubling one I will give you that. Also, the 9/11 comission report isn't even good enough for toilet paper.

[Grog]

so will's arguement is...
Interesting
Interesting
What?
Huh?
Hmm.
WTF.

[//Antisaint]

so will's arguement is...
Interesting
Interesting
What?
Huh?
Hmm.
WTF.

I love you :>

[BLACK]

I love sex.

[Tassles]

I love hot, buttery cinnamon rolls

[BLACK]

Cinnabon ftw.

[//Antisaint]

I love hot, buttery cinnamon rolls

call your cable company on your break, and even make a post here.. nothing is stopping the fury tonight

[Articula]

My biggest problem with this entire theory. Its impossible to hide all the evidence here. Humanly impossible. Something would have turned up, stronger than circumstantial evidence.

[Talorth]

My biggest problem with this entire theory. Its impossible to hide all the evidence here. Humanly impossible. Something would have turned up, stronger than circumstantial evidence.

Thats exactly it, with the amount of intelligence agencies the United States has it is hard to believe that such a thing could be done without going unnoticed.

Isn't the simplest possibility the most plausible?

[LordChowder]

Did you forget you wrote this Chowder, what's up man, smoking cheeba or what; I think your short term memory is suspect.


THE SHEET REPRESENTING IGNORANCE, NOT A PLOT TO KILL AMERICANS. the evidence was there, they ignored it thinking it wasnt a severe issue. WOW CAN YOU READ? how many times must i say this was in no way at all planned by the american government before you understand the words... NO WAY AT ALL PLANNED BY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. and by that i mean AT ALL, IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM, PLANNED OR COLLABORATED WITH THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PLANNING. thats 4 times. hope it helps.

[LordChowder]

Seems to me you are the dumb nigger (even if of the sand variety). You cant even read your own writing. If the government let it happen on purpose, then they are criminals. If they took advantage of the results to foster a foreign policy of imperialism (which has killed close to 1 million civilians), then they are war criminals and should be immediately turned over to the Hague. What you are saying is you don't believe the government. You say you agree they let it happen on purpose. Then I ask you, tool o' mine, why the fuck are we arguing. At best I can state we have been lied to. You agree.

Also, you seem to be supposing an awful lot as to how the alleged conspiracy took place. Is this a theory of yours? Of course there are no secrets of this scale. The last DOCUMENTED false flag operation carried out by the government was the Gulf Of Tonkein. Have you ever heard of it. It was the precursor to our ground troop involvement in the Vietnam War. Google it dude, this isn't the first time.

Finally, by Black do you mean Chubby Cheeks?

black informs me you are a dumb nigger, i tend to agree with this state of mind seeing as how you cant read. i clearly said it was due to incompetence. they didnt let shit happen on purpose.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you think they perpetrated 9/11 i think they are incompetent. PLEASE DONT SAY WE ARE THE SAME!

and yes, what do you know, ive created a whole theory on the true happenings of 9/11. and much like every other theory of what happened, mine is completely made up, not based in fact, and total bullshit. yah youre also missing the bay of pigs and such. you know, the other instances where THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT DID NOT KILL 3000 AMERICANS. unless! maybe, they took all the death row inmates and stashed em into the towers just before they set off all those explosions to really take the towers down! the planes were just decoys! even though it would have been easier to say "terrorists put explosives in the towers and brought them down", they were smart and went through the trouble of concealing it with plane crashes!

[Talorth]

No.... see your forgetting the whole intricacy of the fact that they used explosives! That wasn't their plan at first... but the buildings didn't come down fast enough! :O!

[Will]

My biggest problem with this entire theory. Its impossible to hide all the evidence here. Humanly impossible. Something would have turned up, stronger than circumstantial evidence.

Something did turn up:

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[LordChowder]

video doesnt work for me, government must have found out and murdered the uploader and brought that son of a bitch down.

[Talorth]

video doesnt work for me, government must have found out and murdered the uploader and brought that son of a bitch down.

:O the government took over my account and edited his post!

[Will]

We haven't refuted these claims because to do so would be.... futile.
What you fail to realise is I have no quarrels with conspiracy theories. However the idea that the Bush administration could orchestrate something like 9/11 is a little unbelievable (We are talking about an administration backed by a man who choked on a pretzel after all.) Furthermore, I have no idea where you got this source of information. It could of come from anywhere, and as we all know the internet has the amazing ability to make things sound good. The bolded part however, is not entirely unplausible, but it goes without merit, and kind of relies on the intelligence of rather stupid conspiracy theorists.

The situation with NORAD is a troubling one I will give you that. Also, the 9/11 comission report isn't even good enough for toilet paper.

Please quote me where I said the Bush administration orchestrated it. I do maintain they are complicit, but never did I say they orchestrated it. Criminal elements within the government. The government is way more then Bush and Co.

As to the source, it is at least as good as the mainstream media. You aren't refuting any of it because you can't. This is always where the debate ends and the thread dies....at least as to it's purpose.

I will again attempt to explain how the "classified" system works. Information is compartmentalized, meaning, someone with a Top Secret clearance would not be privy to all Top Secret information. It is in this way, you can keep one department (so to speak) from knowing what the other is doing. The only ones who really know what is going on, are those at the highest levels.
Seems you would agree we need an another independent investigation. Hey, at the very least, we could be going after the wrong people....maybe the communists did it. Over a third of Americans believe as I do, that the govt was complicit:

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

That is far from fringe.

[Will]

No.... see your forgetting the whole intricacy of the fact that they used explosives! That wasn't their plan at first... but the buildings didn't come down fast enough! :O!

Maybe they were built to withstand the impact of airplanes, and they did.

[LordChowder]

Maybe they were built to withstand the impact of airplanes, and they did.

did they?

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/images/wtc-photo-cropped.jpg

to me it looked like 2 planes crashed into the towers, and the towers fell due to the impact and the subsequent fire damage. but i guess you're the structural engineer here and i'm just an uneducated person on the internet, like everyone else here.

[Will]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you think they perpetrated 9/11 i think they are incompetent. PLEASE DONT SAY WE ARE THE SAME!

I think they hide behind incompetence, but since you have never worked for the government, and I have, maybe, just maybe, I know what I am talking about here. you are simply asserting your opinions as fact and looking mighty stupid doing it. Also, you are having trouble with the meaning of certain words. Next time, I will read your responses with an eye for the grammatically challenged.

and yes, what do you know, ive created a whole theory on the true happenings of 9/11. and much like every other theory of what happened, mine is completely made up, not based in fact, and total bullshit. yah youre also missing the bay of pigs and such. you know, the other instances where THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT DID NOT KILL 3000 AMERICANS. unless! maybe, they took all the death row inmates and stashed em into the towers just before they set off all those explosions to really take the towers down! the planes were just decoys! even though it would have been easier to say "terrorists put explosives in the towers and brought them down", they were smart and went through the trouble of concealing it with plane crashes!

Your theory, whatever it is, is based on nothing but your own veeeeeeery limited world view. How many countries have you been in? How many middle eastern countries have you been in? What is your background in terrorism? Have you ever held a government clearance? Have you ever operated against terrorists? Have you ever taught a class on it? You are so self absorbed you can't fathom being completely and utterly wrong so you cling to your infantile dogma of sarcasm, CAPS, and bad jokes (well, not all of them are bad).

[Talorth]

Will, you are making assumptions not based upon facts but based upon 9/11 conspiracy websites.

[Will]

Will, you are making assumptions not based upon facts but based upon 9/11 conspiracy websites.

You are calling them conspiracy theory websites. I pull from multiple sources on the web. Much of what you saw in the early clip (which you obviously didn't watch) was from CNN. Is that what you mean by conspiracy theory website?

[Will]

did they?

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/images/wtc-photo-cropped.jpg

to me it looked like 2 planes crashed into the towers, and the towers fell due to the impact and the subsequent fire damage. but i guess you're the structural engineer here and i'm just an uneducated person on the internet, like everyone else here.

How exactly did WTC7 fall again?

[LordChowder]

I think they hide behind incompetence, but since you have never worked for the government, and I have, maybe, just maybe, I know what I am talking about here. you are simply asserting your opinions as fact and looking mighty stupid doing it. Also, you are having trouble with the meaning of certain words. Next time, I will read your responses with an eye for the grammatically challenged.



Your theory, whatever it is, is based on nothing but your own veeeeeeery limited world view. How many countries have you been in? How many middle eastern countries have you been in? What is your background in terrorism? Have you ever held a government clearance? Have you ever operated against terrorists? Have you ever taught a class on it? You are so self absorbed you can't fathom being completely and utterly wrong so you cling to your infantile dogma of sarcasm, CAPS, and bad jokes (well, not all of them are bad).

im a middle class american, i experience the incompetence of this fucking government every day of my life. you were in the military, does this make you the top dog of the government? shit you didnt even know what your commanders were planning, let alone what any real official was. im persian, so persian my family owns camels. but please i guess youre far more connected with the middle east than i. i mean i have a house there, you have shitty videos on the internet. i dont have to worry about being wrong, im not the one making stupid ass claims on the internet. that would be you. im not too sure where you get off saying you never claimed the government was behind 9/11 considering the very first thing you posted was a video saying EXACTLY that. ive been VERY VERY clear that i in know way shape or form feel the government planned 9/11. MAYBE THE 6th TIME SAYING IT WILL BE A CHARM LOL CAPS. you say quite the opposite. so again, never say were the same, or call it "slightly misunderstanding the meanings of words". nigger.

[LordChowder]

How exactly did WTC7 fall again?

downwards, the government hasnt figured out a way to defy gravity yet obviously.

[LordChowder]

on a slightly more serious note, anyone with the ability to read, can check out the discussion on why the towers fell, in the last 2-3 pages of this thread, some of which you quoted, and are now blatantly ignoring because they cant be true. if they were true, you'd be wrong. which you are.

[Will]

im a middle class american, i experience the incompetence of this fucking government every day of my life. you were in the military, does this make you the top dog of the government? shit you didnt even know what your commanders were planning, let alone what any real official was. im persian, so persian my family owns camels. but please i guess youre far more connected with the middle east than i. i mean i have a house there, you have shitty videos on the internet. i dont have to worry about being wrong, im not the one making stupid ass claims on the internet. that would be you. im not too sure where you get off saying you never claimed the government was behind 9/11 considering the very first thing you posted was a video saying EXACTLY that. ive been VERY VERY clear that i in know way shape or form feel the government planned 9/11. MAYBE THE 6th TIME SAYING IT WILL BE A CHARM LOL CAPS. you say quite the opposite. so again, never say were the same, or call it "slightly misunderstanding the meanings of words". nigger.

I held a top secret clearance for 4 yrs. I taught terrorism and counterintelligence courses at the Navy Marine Corps Intel Training Center in Virginia for 1yr. I received awards for my service both as an infantryman and a Counterintelligence specialist. No, I am not top dog, but believe it or not, I have briefed some of them.

You are a middle class dumb shit like many others here. You are so arrogant and self absorbed in your own little pathetic and meaningless world that you haven't the time or inclination to look outside your own window (so to speak). And you think you know better then I do on a subject I taught, lived, and fought against. Arrogant.

You are right my ignorant wannabe government expert, we are not the same (never actually said we were, learn to read). I know what the fuck I'm talking about and you don't. In other words, and so you can understand, you have your head up your ass and you are talking out of it.

[Will]

on a slightly more serious note, anyone with the ability to read, can check out the discussion on why the towers fell, in the last 2-3 pages of this thread, some of which you quoted, and are now blatantly ignoring because they cant be true. if they were true, you'd be wrong. which you are.

I am not blatantly ignoring anything; check the clip I posted in response to Articula if you want to know what happened to the towers. Hard to keep up with all you flamers.

You guys are blatantly ignoring anything that doesn't have to do with CharlieM's fine research. At least he is using his brain. You should try using yours.

[LordChowder]

I held a top secret clearance for 4 yrs. I taught terrorism and counterintelligence courses at the Navy Marine Corps Intel Training Center in Virginia for 1yr. I received awards for my service both as an infantryman and a Counterintelligence specialist. No, I am not top dog, but believe it or not, I have briefed some of them.

You are a middle class dumb shit like many others here. You are so arrogant and self absorbed in your own little pathetic and meaningless world that you haven't the time or inclination to look outside your own window (so to speak). And you think you know better then I do on a subject I taught, lived, and fought against. Arrogant.

You are right my ignorant wannabe government expert, we are not the same (never actually said we were, learn to read). I know what the fuck I'm talking about and you don't. In other words, and so you can understand, you have your head up your ass and you are talking out of it.

damn you need to get out there and tell the world what really happened then! I MEAN SHIT MAN WHAT ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME WITH PEOPLE WHO DONT EVEN HAVE THE PATIENCE TO PLAY AN ONLINE VIDEO GAMES? get out there and write a book on it! OHHHHHHH WAIT THATS RIGHT you get your information from un-fact checked videos on the internet. youre such an expert it hurts my groin! should have dont a better job briefing the top officials though, sadly it looks they don't believe you since were still hunting osama, when hes probably sitting in crawford ranch :(.

[Grog]

dumb shit like many others here. You are so arrogant and self absorbed in your own little pathetic and meaningless world. Arrogant. I know what the fuck I'm talking about and you don't. you have your head up your ass and you are talking out of it.

summarised the interesting bits for all those not reading

[Talorth]

You are calling them conspiracy theory websites. I pull from multiple sources on the web. Much of what you saw in the early clip (which you obviously didn't watch) was from CNN. Is that what you mean by conspiracy theory website?

I held a top secret clearance for 4 yrs. I taught terrorism and counterintelligence courses at the Navy Marine Corps Intel Training Center in Virginia for 1yr. I received awards for my service both as an infantryman and a Counterintelligence specialist. No, I am not top dog, but believe it or not, I have briefed some of them.

You are a middle class dumb shit like many others here. You are so arrogant and self absorbed in your own little pathetic and meaningless world that you haven't the time or inclination to look outside your own window (so to speak). And you think you know better then I do on a subject I taught, lived, and fought against. Arrogant.

You are right my ignorant wannabe government expert, we are not the same (never actually said we were, learn to read). I know what the fuck I'm talking about and you don't. In other words, and so you can understand, you have your head up your ass and you are talking out of it.



No, you have your head up your own ass... You cherry pick the truth. That is arrogant.

[Will]

damn you need to get out there and tell the world what really happened then! I MEAN SHIT MAN WHAT ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME WITH PEOPLE WHO DONT EVEN HAVE THE PATIENCE TO PLAY AN ONLINE VIDEO GAMES? get out there and write a book on it! OHHHHHHH WAIT THATS RIGHT you get your information from un-fact checked videos on the internet. youre such an expert it hurts my groin! should have dont a better job briefing the top officials though, sadly it looks they don't believe you since were still hunting osama, when hes probably sitting in crawford ranch :(.

Anywhere else I post on the net, like Digg.com or a host of others, I am almost always universally agreed with. This is where the minority exists, the only place on the internet where people are still to dumb to get it.

I see when cornered you retreat back to sarcasm, bad jokes, and CAPS, to cloak your stupidity. You can't question my credentials so you tuck tail and run. Sad pathetic little sand nigger.

[Emillia]

So I was just talking to my mother bout this. Its interesting the things one remembers about that day.

When this happened I was, um, almost 25. My mother called me early. and I got up and turned on the TV and watched it straight for like 3 days.. (of course it was all that was on.) A lot of this time I was on the phone to my mother. We watched different channels and where comparing what we where hearing seeing. I watched the 2nd plane hit. I watched the towers fall.

I ALSO remember seeing the clips from the Chevron or whatever that was across from the Pentagon BEFORE the FBI confiscated them. That is right. That shit was actually televised for about 45 minutes BEFORE it was confiscated. Anyone else remember seeing that? Anyone??? I remember SPECIFICALLY telling my mother that it wasn't an airplane. They slowed it down. REALLY slowed it down. It was small and skinny. Sure as the hell not as big as a plane. Even the witnesses that where interviewed and the news reporters said that it looked more like a "rocket" than a plane.

Anyone remember the reports of the Pennsylvania plane being shot down. It was said by the reporters and it was going across the bottom of the screen in bold white letters. Which only happened for about 10 minutes before the story was changed.

IMO there was a mass cover up from the very beginning. Who or what was being covered up. I dunno. I don't believe a plane crashed into the Pentagon. I don't believe a plane crashed in that field. The initial reports, the ones BEFORE the FBI was confiscating shit and gag orders were put out are the ones that I think are the real stories.

Is G. W. directly responsible? I don't think so. He is a retard and he was panicked when they told him in that classroom. Someone, someplace planned this. And I'm not so sure it was Osama. I stand by my statement that this was a very convenient excuse for W. to invade Iraq tho. I also find it very interesting that the 1st time WTC was bombed Daddy Bush was in office.

The sad fact is that we will NEVER know what really happened. I don't believe everything I see or read. But I refuse to be so ignorant and close minded as to think that my Government is gonna tell me the truth about something like this. ESPECIALLY when it gave them such control over our country. Theres always room for error in any theory and someone is always gonna be wrong. Just remember that people when your on your high horses talking rl shit about someone else posting here just cause they have a different point of view than you do.

[Talorth]

im a middle class american, i experience the incompetence of this fucking government every day of my life. you were in the military, does this make you the top dog of the government? shit you didnt even know what your commanders were planning, let alone what any real official was. im persian, so persian my family owns camels. but please i guess youre far more connected with the middle east than i. i mean i have a house there, you have shitty videos on the internet. i dont have to worry about being wrong, im not the one making stupid ass claims on the internet. that would be you. im not too sure where you get off saying you never claimed the government was behind 9/11 considering the very first thing you posted was a video saying EXACTLY that. ive been VERY VERY clear that i in know way shape or form feel the government planned 9/11. MAYBE THE 6th TIME SAYING IT WILL BE A CHARM LOL CAPS. you say quite the opposite. so again, never say were the same, or call it "slightly misunderstanding the meanings of words". nigger.

WOA WAIT ARENT PERSIANS FROM CUBA, AND ISNT CUBA IN THE MIDDLE EAST?

/acts like dumb north american.

[Will]

WOA WAIT ARENT PERSIANS FROM CUBA, AND ISNT CUBA IN THE MIDDLE EAST?

/acts like dumb north american.

I see you are beginning to suffer from Chowder syndrome.

[//Antisaint]

Sad pathetic little sand nigger.

Racist imo D:

[Will]

To Emillia:

Thank you for your post. I have heard the things you say from many people. I, honestly, was swept up in the day because I was actually 25 minutes away from the attacks when it happened. It wasn't until much later that I came to this understanding by tracing our completely ridiculous foreign policy (attacking Iraq and saying they had WMD) back to it's source. Until then, I believed as these other imbeciles. I even seriously considered rejoining the armed forces.

[Will]

Racist imo D:

No, just speaking in a language you guys understand.

[Grog]

he make sence

[LordChowder]

Anywhere else I post on the net, like Digg.com or a host of others, I am almost always universally agreed with. This is where the minority exists, the only place on the internet where people are still to dumb to get it.

I see when cornered you retreat back to sarcasm, bad jokes, and CAPS, to cloak your stupidity. You can't question my credentials so you tuck tail and run. Sad pathetic little sand nigger.

im hardly cornered here. but at least you've found the internet to be full of smart, intellectual types who can agree with you. i have come to the far different conclusion that they're mostly idiots. unfortunately it seems all the fake scientists and shit in the real world don't agree. luckily you're so in tune with middle east way of life that you can be racist about it. i may take that sand nigger comment to heart, but its from an idiot who believes in conspiracy theories. so, needless to say.. doesn't phase me. nigger.

[Talorth]

I see you are beginning to suffer from Chowder syndrome.

And you suffer from blind self righteousness by being close minded. For every major 9/11 conspiracy, there is a huge hole that is usually filled with the truth. (Like in the case of the explosives conspiracy.)

What emi suggested above is much simpler, and alot more plausible. I do believe that that plane was shot down by a missile or otherwise. The story is painted over to be too 'patriotic'. It just doesn't make alot of sense.

[Will]

downwards, the government hasnt figured out a way to defy gravity yet obviously.

And you haven't figured a way to unshackle you brain.

[Will]

And you suffer from blind self righteousness by being close minded. For every major 9/11 conspiracy, there is a huge hole that is usually filled with the truth. (Like in the case of the explosives conspiracy.)

What emi suggested above is much simpler, and alot more plausible. I do believe that that plane was shot down by a missile or otherwise. The story is painted over to be too 'patriotic'. It just doesn't make alot of sense.

Let's see, I'm willing to debate any and all of this...

You label it conspiracy and thereby attempt to nullify the information's relevance (without looking at it)....

Who is close minded again?

As to Emmillia's post, is it also plausible that a missile hit the Pentagon? She said she "saw it". Maybe she was hallucinating.

[LordChowder]

And you haven't figured a way to unshackle you brain.

sorry, logic and reason keep a tight hold on it.

[//Antisaint]

No, just speaking in a language you guys understand.

Hukdt on fonicks werkd for mee..

Belittling son of a bitch <3

[Will]

sorry, logic and reason keep a tight hold on it.

No, it's called not knowing what the fuck you are talking about keeping a tight hold on it.

[Will]

Hukdt on fonicks werkd for mee..

Belittling son of a bitch <3

I have learned much from my blah and mondrated counterparts :p

[LordChowder]

i counter your internet video with my own.

kcrF346sS_I

[//Antisaint]

I have learned much from my blah and mondrated counterparts :p

I enchanted my Belittlement skill... Wait for ittttt... Nigger.

[Tassles]

Please quote me where I said the Bush administration orchestrated it. I do maintain they are complicit, but never did I say they orchestrated it. Criminal elements within the government. The government is way more then Bush and Co.

As to the source, it is at least as good as the mainstream media. You aren't refuting any of it because you can't. This is always where the debate ends and the thread dies....at least as to it's purpose.

I will again attempt to explain how the "classified" system works. Information is compartmentalized, meaning, someone with a Top Secret clearance would not be privy to all Top Secret information. It is in this way, you can keep one department (so to speak) from knowing what the other is doing. The only ones who really know what is going on, are those at the highest levels.
Seems you would agree we need an another independent investigation. Hey, at the very least, we could be going after the wrong people....maybe the communists did it. Over a third of Americans believe as I do, that the govt was complicit:

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

That is far from fringe.


Try to be careful with surveys will. They didn't come survey me, you, anybody on these forums, anybody in my home town, anybody in many home towns, hell they didn't survey 2% of americans, much less 54%.

You want to talk about how Charlie is the only one doing any fact based research, does this include you? Because to me it looks like your theories (however some points are arguable or plausible) are the same as anyone else here...THEORY. You want to talk about how you aren't the angry one, the voice of reason, and you're losing it by letting people bait you in to making jabs at them... The only one sounding arrogant and not open to a change of mind is you, if you asked everyone that's argued with you on this thread i'm willing to bet most (if not all) of them have taken your words (though more than a little biased with very little basis) and at least tried to imagine the scenario and possibly even agreed with bits and pieces, but you are just ignoring the things you want to and moving on...charlie explained to you how it was possible that 7 fell with as best an answer as any engineer or architect could come up with, and you didn't want to hear.

This may not be the most cohesive writing I've ever done, but hopefully you get the point. Sometimes maybe YOU should think through all the facets of an issue before jumping into a tirade.

[Talorth]

Let's see, I'm willing to debate any and all of this...

You label it conspiracy and thereby attempt to nullify the information's relevance (without looking at it)....

Who is close minded again?

As to Emmillia's post, is it also plausible that a missile hit the Pentagon? She said she "saw it". Maybe she was hallucinating.


Maybe she was, sometimes people can be very unnacountable for what happened when they are in a state of panic/fear. But I believe that was the Bush administrations spin on things anyways? They certainly made a good job of turning gulf war #2 into the war on terror.

I am not nullifying anything, it is a conspiracy. A conspiracy is exactly that, a conspiracy. Maybe you should look it up in a dictionary. I am sorry for any unintended feelings you may toward having me call it a conspiracy from your own self righteousness, but thats your own problem. You are seeing things that aren't there.

The truth of 9/11 still remains shrouded in mystery, I am not against the idea that there is a possibility that the United States government knew something was going on. But, all the conspiracy theories have been unplausible, and very irrational.

[//Antisaint]

Try to be careful with surveys will. They didn't come survey me, you, anybody on these forums, anybody in my home town, anybody in many home towns, hell they didn't survey 2% of americans, much less 54%.

You want to talk about how Charlie is the only one doing any fact based research, does this include you? Because to me it looks like your theories (however some points are arguable or plausible) are the same as anyone else here...THEORY. You want to talk about how you aren't the angry one, the voice of reason, and you're losing it by letting people bait you in to making jabs at them... The only one sounding arrogant and not open to a change of mind is you, if you asked everyone that's argued with you on this thread i'm willing to bet most (if not all) of them have taken your words (though more than a little biased with very little basis) and at least tried to imagine the scenario and possibly even agreed with bits and pieces, but you are just ignoring the things you want to and moving on...charlie explained to you how it was possible that 7 fell with as best an answer as any engineer or architect could come up with, and you didn't want to hear.

This may not be the most cohesive writing I've ever done, but hopefully you get the point. Sometimes maybe YOU should think through all the facets of an issue before jumping into a tirade.

You're so getting buttsecked tonight.. Call your cable company btw?

[Will]

im hardly cornered here. but at least you've found the internet to be full of smart, intellectual types who can agree with you. i have come to the far different conclusion that they're mostly idiots. unfortunately it seems all the fake scientists and shit in the real world don't agree. luckily you're so in tune with middle east way of life that you can be racist about it. i may take that sand nigger comment to heart, but its from an idiot who believes in conspiracy theories. so, needless to say.. doesn't phase me. nigger.

Sure you are, you have given up trying to analyze the info because you can't. You lack the intestinal fortitude to question your self. I have an idea, everyone you disagree with is an idiot, that way, you can always be right. Awesome way to go through life imo. This way, you never have to think, you can just fall back on your "tuck tail" tactics. You are speaking to a subject matter expert but you are still convinced of your superiority and correctness (as though you have any logical reason to be). Really disappointed in you, thought you were one of the smart ones; just a know-nothing, arrogant, middle class sand nigger who think he knows better then someone who has been there and done that. Someone who has been inside the Pentagon (and not on a fucking tour). Someone who has trained other Marines to do a job that they shouldn't be doing right now, but God Bless them cause they have no choice. To you, this is just a big fucking joke. The people that died that day mean nothing to you. Your fellow citizens dying for this bullshit war on terror mean nothing to you. I'd be surprised if anything other then your own self interests was of any import, to you.

stupid sand nigger, lower case.

[Grog]

wow, this thread is exactly what the title suggests. will saying to chowder that he's a dumb sand nigger

[Talorth]

Sure you are, you have given up trying to analyze the info because you can't. You lack the intestinal fortitude to question your self. I have an idea, everyone you disagree with is an idiot, that way, you can always be right. Awesome way to go through life imo. This way, you never have to think, you can just fall back on your "tuck tail" tactics. You are speaking to a subject matter expert but you are still convinced of your superiority and correctness (as though you have any logical reason to be). Really disappointed in you, thought you were one of the smart ones; just a know-nothing, arrogant, middle class sand nigger who think he knows better then someone who has been there and done that. Someone who has been inside the Pentagon (and not on a fucking tour). Someone who has trained other Marines to do a job that they shouldn't be doing right now, but God Bless them cause they have no choice. To you, this is just a big fucking joke. The people that died that day mean nothing to you. Your fellow citizens dying for this bullshit war on terror mean nothing to you. I'd be surprised if anything other then your own self interests was of any import, to you.

stupid sand nigger, lower case.

no offense, but your personal interest in abolishing the FED spells to me... SELF INTEREST.

[Will]

Try to be careful with surveys will. They didn't come survey me, you, anybody on these forums, anybody in my home town, anybody in many home towns, hell they didn't survey 2% of americans, much less 54%.

Fair enough, polls are easily manipulated.

You want to talk about how Charlie is the only one doing any fact based research, does this include you? Because to me it looks like your theories (however some points are arguable or plausible) are the same as anyone else here...THEORY. You want to talk about how you aren't the angry one, the voice of reason, and you're losing it by letting people bait you in to making jabs at them... The only one sounding arrogant and not open to a change of mind is you, if you asked everyone that's argued with you on this thread i'm willing to bet most (if not all) of them have taken your words (though more than a little biased with very little basis) and at least tried to imagine the scenario and possibly even agreed with bits and pieces, but you are just ignoring the things you want to and moving on...charlie explained to you how it was possible that 7 fell with as best an answer as any engineer or architect could come up with, and you didn't want to hear.

I am simply meeting people at their chosen level. Whenever i post, this is my rule. The reason isn't anger, it's psychology. If you want to effectively communicate with someone, you have to seek their level. When people, like you for example, approach me intelligently and respectfully, I always respond in kind. Same for the flip side.

As to CharlieM's explanations, they are theoretical. For the most part, whenever I post about this subject here, I get more flames then anything else. After about five pages or so someone like Charlie steps in and I'm so happy to actually have a conversation about the subject, I remain in his comfort zone and a zone that has clear and concise arguments both ways. There are other aspects that I continually try to draw people to and that's when it breaks down. Aspects that are far more concrete. Then it breaks down again. Like it just did :(



This may not be the most cohesive writing I've ever done, but hopefully you get the point. Sometimes maybe YOU should think through all the facets of an issue before jumping into a tirade.

Your writing is fine :)

[LordChowder]

Sure you are, you have given up trying to analyze the info because you can't. You lack the intestinal fortitude to question your self. I have an idea, everyone you disagree with is an idiot, that way, you can always be right. Awesome way to go through life imo. This way, you never have to think, you can just fall back on your "tuck tail" tactics. You are speaking to a subject matter expert but you are still convinced of your superiority and correctness (as though you have any logical reason to be). Really disappointed in you, thought you were one of the smart ones; just a know-nothing, arrogant, middle class sand nigger who think he knows better then someone who has been there and done that. Someone who has been inside the Pentagon (and not on a fucking tour). Someone who has trained other Marines to do a job that they shouldn't be doing right now, but God Bless them cause they have no choice. To you, this is just a big fucking joke. The people that died that day mean nothing to you. Your fellow citizens dying for this bullshit war on terror mean nothing to you. I'd be surprised if anything other then your own self interests was of any import, to you.

stupid sand nigger, lower case.

give me some real information to analyze that hasnt been covered? i dont support the war in iraq because its based on bullshit. i dont particularly see why that has to lead back to the government causing 9/11? you tie shit together that isnt actually tied. you're a stupid nigger to the realest degree. youre the one belittling american lives saying the government could kill thousands of them on a whim. but they server a purpose in your little game of butt pee with the truth.

[Will]

no offense, but your personal interest in abolishing the FED spells to me... SELF INTEREST.

Why, I am of the demographic that tends to benefit from the current system. Way off course aren't you?

[Will]

i counter your internet video with my own.

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[LordChowder]

Why, I am of the demographic that tends to benefit from the current system. Way off course aren't you?

i hardly doubt youre in the top 2% of american wealth.

[LordChowder]

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Shame, looks like you'll have to click a button.

[Will]

i hardly doubt youre in the top 2% of american wealth.

And you would know this how exactly? Oh, wait, you don't actually have to know about something to assert it's truth...I forgot.

[Will]

Shame, looks like you'll have to click a button.

Lol, I don't like to double click; as to the vid, I've already seen it. Your point?

[LordChowder]

And you would know this how exactly? Oh, wait, you don't actually have to know about something to assert it's truth...I forgot.

because youre posting on the internet. and you dont make millions of dollars a year.

[LordChowder]

Lol, I don't like to double click; as to the vid, I've already seen it. Your point?

i guess none, except for the fact they have experts. on there that clearly state what brought the towers down, and why people like you choose to believe silly tales. but thats of little consequence to you, since it doesn't matter what the truth is, you'll just look for something different.

[Will]

because youre posting on the internet. and you dont make millions of dollars a year.

I made over 200k last year so that puts me on all the republican mailing lists. Good enough for you college boy?

[Talorth]

And you would know this how exactly? Oh, wait, you don't actually have to know about something to assert it's truth...I forgot.

in that case, wouldn't that prove my point about self interest?

[LordChowder]

I made over 200k last year so that puts me on all the republican mailing lists. Good enough for you college boy?

except 200k is nowhere near the top 2%. hey look, chowder scored again. go me.

[Talorth]

except 200k is nowhere near the top 2%. hey look, chowder scored again. go me.

BEEP BEEP SELF INTEREST SAND NIGGER ALERT BEEP BEEP.

[Will]

except 200k is nowhere near the top 2%. hey look, chowder scored again. go me.

It isn't just the top 2% that benefits from the current policies tax wise, do we need a class on taxes, and how some in this country can afford not to pay them?

Are you really this much of a child?

[Will]

in that case, wouldn't that prove my point about self interest?

Uh, no not really. My interest is preserving and returning America to what it was, a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. In other words, what it used to be, the greatest country on the planet.

[Talorth]

It isn't just the top 2% that benefits from the current policies tax wise, do we need a class on taxes, and how some in this country can afford not to pay them?

Are you really this much of a child?
I''ll agree that the taxes are a little screwed up but there always be a minority somewhere thats flipping the bill... Of course it doesn't help that both sides complain.

No, the top 2% chowder was mentioning dont want TAXES AT ALL. It doesn't benefit them at all, they don't need to be taxed (In their opinions)

Of course I am generalizing here, I know many do not feel that way in the 2% bracket. (IE Bill gates wants public education reform.).

[BLACK]

I made over 200k last year so that puts me on all the republican mailing lists. Good enough for you college boy?

Damn, that's alot of food stamps.

[Talorth]

Uh, no not really. My interest is preserving and returning America to what it was, a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. In other words, what it used to be, the greatest country on the planet.

Haha, before you get so high and mighty maybe you need a geography class... The United States isn't floating above us all on a cloud. Guess what? You have just as many lunatics, rapists, thieves, and murderers as any other first world nation.

Your ideals are sound, but your methods are incorrect, and a little overpatriotic in nature.

The problem is that you have two contradicting messages. Establish it for the people (I believe you may or may not believe in public healthcare.) yet abolish the FED. Either that, or you establish it for the individual.

Make a choice.

[Will]

i guess none, except for the fact they have experts. on there that clearly state what brought the towers down, and why people like you choose to believe silly tales. but thats of little consequence to you, since it doesn't matter what the truth is, you'll just look for something different.

Did you even watch the clip or did you just google debunking and pick the first one? This isn't the first attempt by the government to debunk the so called 9/11 conspiracy theory in support of the official conspiracy theory. Everything in this clip has been "redebunked" by the Steven Jones clip I posted (he was a professor at BYU, I think his specialty was physics) and others.

You aren't even pointing to an actual assertion in the clip, just a general idea like "they tell us what really happened to the towers and it's on the internet". I am willing to pull it all apart if you are. Alas, and again, I can see your brain is on idle so ta ta for now.

[BLACK]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/african_american_lol2.jpg

[Will]

Haha, before you get so high and mighty maybe you need a geography class... The United States isn't floating above us all on a cloud. Guess what? You have just as many lunatics, rapists, thieves, and murderers as any other first world nation.

Not for nothing, but we kicked you fucking ass and established our own country cause we didn't like the way you did business. We became friends again but don't ever forget that asswhoopin'.

Your ideals are sound, but your methods are incorrect, and a little overpatriotic in nature.

Well, I'll take your assessment of my methods with a grain of salt. As to me being "over patriotic" there is no such thing.

The problem is that you have two contradicting messages. Establish it for the people (I believe you may or may not believe in public healthcare.) yet abolish the FED. Either that, or you establish it for the individual.

Back to the Fed (speaking of which, Ron Paul just reintroduced legislation the abolish the Fed and repeal the Federal Reserve Act, God bless him)? What does my stance on the fed have to do with the subject at hand? Derail threads much Mondrator?

[Grog]

"they tell us what really happened to the towers and it's on the internet".
anyone else find it funny Will is saying this?

[Will]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/african_american_lol2.jpg

Here ya go Chubby Cheeks, a peanut!!!

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[Will]

anyone else find it funny Will is saying this?

I was paraphrasing Chowder nub, I know you don't like to read the whole thread :)

[BLACK]

You make no sense, Will, but you're still fucking awesome.

[Talorth]

Derailing threads does not pertain to anything regarding my mondrator status. I am free to do whatever I like, including ban you for a number of offenses...

But I find it all entertaining really, im charmed :P.


There is such a thing as being overpatriotic, I think a perfect example of that is the pro republican bandwagon that calls for pro-war fundamentalisms.(Not all republicans, a small percent... but you get my point.)



Now while we are on the subject of what established our respective countries, I'd like to say that I guess the french never really played a part at all in helping the Americans fight against the British. So, I suppose we could after all just act like they were never there and be blind and be so overly patriotic to forget about that small bit of information in history.

Ron Paul will never get the republican vote, and that is why he will never get elected. Monroe is correct.

[BLACK]

Seriously, Ron Paul fucking sucks.

[Talorth]

He's far too radical in policy. Some of the worst political decisions has been caused by agendas of self interest. In these hastily made decisions without looking as the possible outcomes rationally, we have leaders who ruin economies. Having 4 year terms does not help at all either.

[Grindrolas]

You are calling them conspiracy theory websites. I pull from multiple sources on the web. Much of what you saw in the early clip (which you obviously didn't watch) was from CNN. Is that what you mean by conspiracy theory website?
So wait, first you say mass media is a bad source, but now its a credible source? Make up your fucking mind.
I held a top secret clearance for 4 yrs. I taught terrorism and counterintelligence courses at the Navy Marine Corps Intel Training Center in Virginia for 1yr. I received awards for my service both as an infantryman and a Counterintelligence specialist. No, I am not top dog, but believe it or not, I have briefed some of them.

You are a middle class dumb shit like many others here. You are so arrogant and self absorbed in your own little pathetic and meaningless world that you haven't the time or inclination to look outside your own window (so to speak). And you think you know better then I do on a subject I taught, lived, and fought against. Arrogant.

You are right my ignorant wannabe government expert, we are not the same (never actually said we were, learn to read). I know what the fuck I'm talking about and you don't. In other words, and so you can understand, you have your head up your ass and you are talking out of it.
Way to go, you now sound like a "my dad could beat up your dad" 12 year old. That is certainly the way to get your point across.

As to CharlieM's explanations, they are theoretical. For the most part, whenever I post about this subject here, I get more flames then anything else. After about five pages or so someone like Charlie steps in and I'm so happy to actually have a conversation about the subject, I remain in his comfort zone and a zone that has clear and concise arguments both ways. There are other aspects that I continually try to draw people to and that's when it breaks down. Aspects that are far more concrete. Then it breaks down again. Like it just did :(
Uhm, sorry, what? Charlie's explanation at least used math and science to explain it for fucks sakes, not some half-cocked theory that he found on the internet...

I mean, god damn Will, if we're all too fucking retarded to see the truth, and we're in the minority, then go fucking hang out on Digg.com with your cronies. Funny though how sheeple usually means majority...

Not for nothing, but we kicked you fucking ass and established our own country cause we didn't like the way you did business. We became friends again but don't ever forget that asswhoopin'.
Wait, what? Please don't tell me you're referring to The War of 1812. If you are, take your head out of your ass. Guess who still owns this land. Thats right, WE DO. Guess who got sent home, and had their White House burned down, thats right...

[Will]

Derailing threads does not pertain to anything regarding my mondrator status. I am free to do whatever I like, including ban you for a number of offenses...

But I find it all entertaining really, im charmed :P.

Abracadabra!!!


There is such a thing as being overpatriotic, I think a perfect example of that is the pro republican bandwagon that calls for pro-war fundamentalisms.(Not all republicans, a small percent... but you get my point.)

I disagree with you. We both are entitled to our opinions. You are speaking of neo conservatives. They are completely unpatriotic imo. They are globalists, not nationalists. They have wreaked more havoc both inside America and to America's reputation, then any other political group bar none.



Now while we are on the subject of what established our respective countries, I'd like to say that I guess the french never really played a part at all in helping the Americans fight against the British. So, I suppose we could after all just act like they were never there and be blind and be so overly patriotic to forget about that small bit of information in history.

Sure the French helped, they helped us cause you always fucked with them. Didn't you yoke the strength of those not from the England? I haven't forgotten history at all, perhaps you have.

Ron Paul will never get the republican vote, and that is why he will never get elected. Monroe is correct.

Wow, with your final statement you quote Monroe; I'm not quite sure how to tackle that one. Monroe must have been a prophet instead of a necro then, for you guys seem to have it all figured out. Trouble is, as every day passes, more and more people in America hear Ron Paul's politics. He's already the most popular politician on You Tube. HE resonates with the young and the old alike. And he stand for the values this country was founded on. If he isn;t good enough to win then no one is. People hear his unrehearsed actual answers to questions, and they like it. Time will tell imo.

[BLACK]

Fucking jew.


Oh yes, the most popular politician on YT. Fucking big deal.