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Will
June 12th, 2007, 01:23 PM
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Man Faces 7 Year Sentence Under "Wiretapping Law" For Filming Police
OK for police and government to film and wiretap US citizens though
Steve Watson
Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com/index.html)

Tuesday, June 12, 2007


Brian D. Kelly is charged under a state law that bars the intentional interception or recording of anyone's oral conversation without their consent, reports the Patriot News (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/110607_b_Video.htm).
The criminal case relates to the sound, not the pictures, that his camera picked up. His camera and film were seized by police during the May 24 stop, he said, and he spent 26 hours in Cumberland County Prison until his mother posted her house as security for his $2,500 bail. Police also took film from his pockets that wasn't related to the traffic stop, he said.
Kelly, just 18 years old, is obviously extremely scared and has apologized profusely for not knowing the law. he has sought the help of the ACLU in the case.

The charge is invalid because it flouts privacy laws. Under the fourth amendment the expectation of privacy (http://www.notbored.org/privacy.html) is not reasonable at such public places as automobile thoroughfares.
In other words filming on a public highway cannot be classed as an invasion of privacy. Furthermore, the expectation of privacy is not reasonable if there exists a vantage point from which anyone, not just a police officer, can see or hear what is going on. Charging someone with wiretapping for filming on a public highway in this sense would be akin to charging someone with arson for cooking burgers on a grill.
The charge also becomes bogus because the "wiretapping" law is not adhered to by police officers themselves. An exception to the wiretapping law allows police to film people during traffic stops.
In addition police routinely carry microphones that are wired up to their vehicles to record conversations without the knowledge of anyone whom they stop or question. This is not the first time this has happened either. Last year a North Middleton Twp. man was charged in a street racing case that involved a wiretapping charge. Police claimed the man ordered associates to tape police breaking up an illegal race after officers told him to turn off their cameras.
Furthermore, just last month (http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070507/FOSTERS01/105070187) a 48-year-old man from Dover, New Hampshire was arrested for "wiretapping" for allegedly recording police while they were investigating him for driving while intoxicated. In addition we have previously covered stories where camera crews have been threatened (http://infowars.net/articles/february2007/010207Filming.htm) with arrest for filming peaceful demonstrations, and where cops have been caught stealing protestor's cameras (http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2006/181206Camera.htm). Filming in public is a right every American citizen has under the first amendment, which is why the cops in the case above had to steal the camera and the footage, because there was no legal basis to seize it.
It seems that filming and photographing is now deemed to be a threat per se. Pick from any number of stories archived at www.freedomtophotograph.com (http://www.freedomtophotograph.com/) for example.


In Seattle, police banned a photography student from a public park. He was taking photographs of a bridge for a homework assignment. The officers who ban him from the park do so without the knowledge of park officials and have no authority to do so.


In Texas a man was first threatened by neighbors and then reportedly accosted and sprayed with pepper spray by police. He was walking around his neighborhood, filming with his new video camera.
In New York, National Press Photographers Association members staged a protest in the New York subway system to bring attention to a proposed law to ban photography in the subway system.

In Philadelphia a magazine photographer was detained and questioned after a parade for taking architectural shots while waiting for a subway train.
In Harrisburg, PA a man was swarmed by 8 Police and accused of being a member of Al-Qaeda after shooting pictures of his new car under a bridge.
We have recently exposed how some police now do not understand that they are violating the rights of individuals (http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/141206_hidden_camera.html). In other cases we have witnessed police pull out pocket constitutions from cars and question their legality.
In addition we have a government which has been mired in scandal for wiretapping US citizens without warrant, yet when the tables are turned US citizens face the full wrath of the corrupt judicial system.
Though clearly Brian D. Kelly had no criminal intent and is likely to escape with just a fine, the case sets a dangerous precedent. US citizens can be arrested and charged for filming on public streets.
It also sets the precedent that those who enforce the law are also above the law.

Perant
June 12th, 2007, 01:39 PM
i didn't read your post or your poll, but whatever you're arguing about, i disagree with you.

Will
June 12th, 2007, 01:43 PM
i didn't read your post or your poll, but whatver you're arguing about, i disagree with you.

I am not arguing anything....yet. You have to wait for me to take an actual position before you disagree :p

1095
June 12th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Charging someone with wiretapping for filming on a public highway in this sense would be akin to charging someone with arson for cooking burgers on a grill.

Awesome analogy

Perant
June 12th, 2007, 01:52 PM
I am not arguing anything....yet. You have to wait for me to take an actual position before you disagree :p

no, it's a pre-emptive strike. i'm disagreeing with your argument before you make it.

Will
June 12th, 2007, 01:54 PM
no, it's a pre-emptive strike. i'm disagreeing with your argument before you make it.

How veeeeery open-minded of you :)

Extarian
June 12th, 2007, 05:36 PM
I am not arguing anything....yet. You have to wait for me to take an actual position before you disagree :p

Since you are literate, I think we can go ahead and safely assume you chose to post this article as opposed to other articles covering the same topic from the other side.

However, in this instance, law enforcement agency actions as of late in some states of the USA appear to have been utter bullshit.

Talorth
June 12th, 2007, 10:35 PM
Penises in vagina can be quite nice...





oh wait? What are we talking about? I read something about burgers and thought about meat so...

LordChowder
June 12th, 2007, 10:48 PM
fucking guiliani, hes probably behind this. if he wasnt out at osamas barbeque bonanza bash with bush, cheney, and condi, celebrating the 6 years of successful deception of the american people. id have the right mind to tell him hes in the wrong!

Damarus
June 12th, 2007, 11:26 PM
This is very very one sided... We don't even know what he was filming? To be honest I'd tend to agree that the idea of this is absurd, but I can't say its wrong to take people's right away to record things when you never know what the things they are recording are... Like I've seen a guy get arrested outside a club for filming a chicks cooch when she was struggling against police and fell and didnt have underwear on. That in my opinion is fair despite the fact that it was her choice not to wear underwear, it wasn't her choice to show her cooch, she was just unlucky enough to fall.

LordChowder
June 12th, 2007, 11:31 PM
imagine if man and the cop settled this over a game of MB's Butt Pee!

Perant
June 12th, 2007, 11:52 PM
fucking guiliani, hes probably behind this. if he wasnt out at osamas barbeque bonanza bash with bush, cheney, and condi, celebrating the 6 years of successful deception of the american people. id have the right mind to tell him hes in the wrong!

i heard ron paul crashed their last barbeque, and tried to force them to cut taxes.

LordChowder
June 12th, 2007, 11:56 PM
that fucker.

Grog
June 13th, 2007, 02:20 AM
i see no geese =(

Will
June 13th, 2007, 11:02 AM
One sided eh? My belief is that if they can film us in public we can film them in public. They are "public" servants operating in "public" for (supposedly) the public good. Why do they have an expectation of privacy but we don't. Sounds like a bit of a double standard if you ask me.

And Chowder, get a life.

BTW thank you for all the fuck you votes, you guys also represent a demographic (albeit a shrinking one).

Inxile
June 13th, 2007, 11:27 AM
fuck the law!!

Damarus
June 13th, 2007, 11:30 AM
Was hard to vote otherwise when you only gave me yes and no :/ I can't agree or disagree when I only have one side of the story. ie. the people that were 'wronged' by the system and not the good to have come out of it (if any). It's not the issue that is one sided here, it's what I'm presented with and when I don't live in the country of origin, I can't be quick to judge :p

Will
June 13th, 2007, 03:09 PM
Was hard to vote otherwise when you only gave me yes and no :/ I can't agree or disagree when I only have one side of the story. ie. the people that were 'wronged' by the system and not the good to have come out of it (if any). It's not the issue that is one sided here, it's what I'm presented with and when I don't live in the country of origin, I can't be quick to judge :p

Hmm, point taken.