Global warming: a crock of shit?

[Victis]

Discuss.

Watch this if you're bored ---> http://joox.net/cat/44/id/1174924

[damme]

Then read this if you're still bored http://reasic.com/2007/03/10/the-great-global-warming-swindle-questions-answered/
and this http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/swindled-carl-wunsch-responds/

[CharlieM]

This video is a giant sack of shit.
Sorry vic, but if this is the stuff you take to heart and beleive in, then I suggest you dont reproduce.

[Victis]

This video is a giant sack of shit.
Sorry vic, but if this is the stuff you take to heart and beleive in, then I suggest you dont reproduce.

Sorry kid this isn't religion to me, so no I wouldn't "believe in it" in the first place. I think they produce another side to the controversy. As for it all being a crock of shit.. I don't think so.. but thats the beauty of having an open perspective, you should try it :>

Hence why I put a question mark at the end of the thread title.. and why I said discuss..

I'd warn you not to reproduce but you're still a virgin and no vagina in site to turn that around for ya.. :<

[Damarus]

I like the way that it resorts to that when you know charlie will produce a more intelligent argument than yourself if you actually get into a debate on the subject.

[CharlieM]

Sorry kid this isn't religion to me, so no I wouldn't "believe in it" in the first place. I think they produce another side to the controversy. As for it all being a crock of shit.. I don't think so.. but thats the beauty of having an open perspective, you should try it

Hence why I put a question mark at the end of the thread title.. and why I said discuss..

I'd warn you not to reproduce but you're still a virgin and no vagina in site to turn that around for ya..

lllllllllloooooooooollllllll
I love how you talk about my sex life like you know intemate details about just whats going on here in Australia, half the fuck way around the world from your current location.


I was going to post something similar to Dammes post, only quite a lot larger, quoting big Al Gore and other awesome scientists in the field, showing figures of just how many reports put the big blame on CO2 emissions and man...but I figured Id shoot for the insult that resulted in the least effort, that yielded the best result, as I had just got done proving that not only does God not have any influence on this world (if he/she/it exists at all), but that our morals are also not derrived from thousands year old scripture.

I guess the insult option was a winner.

[HooB]

Sweden is cold in the winters, need more heat damnit!

[BLACK]

I'M SUPER SERIAL GUYS SUPER SERIAL!

[Talorth]

The earth is warming... That much is obvious, however to think that reducing c02 emissions will 'save' the earth is a little foolish.

[Victis]

I like the way that it resorts to that when you know charlie will produce a more intelligent argument than yourself if you actually get into a debate on the subject.

you mean regurgitate what he's read? loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!

As for argument, I said discuss, hes the one who assumed I believe everything I saw in that documentary, and proceeded to tell me not to reproduce. VERY INTELLIGENT ADDITION TO THE THREAD INDEED!

edit: Anyway, I don't buy into reading/watching documentaries and saying.. WOOOOOOOOOW this all must be 100% true! I know when things sound a little lopsided when it comes to documentaries. To me this global warming epidemic is a little overblown, and is much more complicated than blaming it on one variable when it realistically factors on endless variables.

This isn't about Charlie's lack of a sex life, but if he can't help flaming, I can't help it either, its in my nature. :>

[Talorth]

Need more red headed stepchildren tbh.

[Victis]

One of the people they interview is from the University of Ottawa, so it struck my interest because they have a pretty big program regarding the entire dilemma, I guess I wouldn't pass off a theory/idea or scientific information as 'a crock of shit', but I certainly do take it into consideration, just like I don't pass off the global warming 'threat' as a crock of shit, but I take it into consideration.

/bows

[LaEnana]

Global warming or no, I am ready for the zombies.

[Talorth]

Penis in the butt.

[MrsDemon]

Global warming 100% real but at the same time, to fight it we can never be 100% sure until we try

[Talorth]

Global warming 100% real but at the same time, to fight it we can never be 100% sure until we try

we arent trying so lol.

[MrsDemon]

we arent trying so lol.


GW is crazy and is easy to spot,

The wiki definition of Global Warming


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming


Wiki definition of anthropogenic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Wiki definition of Greenhouse Effect

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect

[Craysh]

My personal Favorites:
Penn and Teller's Bullshit - Environmental Hysteria Part 1 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zoqr_bullshit-environmental-hysteria-par)
Penn and Teller's Bullshit - Environmental Hysteria Part 2 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zoqs_bullshit-environmental-hysteria-par)

[Grog]

lol who says crock of shit?

[BLACK]

Penis in the butt.


Thread derailment FAILED.

[MrsDemon]

im straight so penis in Butt is not going to hold topic

[LaEnana]

Zombies man! They creep me out...

[Will]

I'm starting to think it is a crock of shit. Anytime a group (such as the global warming crowd) tries to silence any dissenting opinions, it is a red flag for me.

[Damarus]

I would agree that global warming was a crock of shit, if the earth wasn't warming... Regardless of the cause of it, it's fucking happening lol.......

[Inxile]

i don't think it co2 from humans

i'm no scientist or anything and i barely follow it, but i think it has to do with other pollution, like cars, factories etc

i don't believe its bullshit either, very much real.

ps LOL a charlie's deleted post

[Victis]

Aww I didn't get to see charlie's post.. lolz

[Damarus]

What was it? o___O And why'd you delete it :(

[Xin3]

I would agree that global warming was a crock of shit, if the earth wasn't warming... Regardless of the cause of it, it's fucking happening lol.......

lol i can't help but quoting this for the truth :grin:

[Victis]

What was it? o___O And why'd you delete it :(

No idea, and no idea why he deleted it.. lol

Usually when people flame me its in relation to my wife though :<

[Inxile]

charlie deleted it himself it was just funny. is all

[Craysh]

I would agree that global warming was a crock of shit, if the earth wasn't warming... Regardless of the cause of it, it's fucking happening lol.......

I wouldn't argue that the earth is warming, but I disagree to the cause.
Things like solar flares (Very active lately), the fact that our magnetic poles are shifting, and the fact of urban heating (Where cities get hotter because concrete doesn't absorb the heat as well as grass and soil).
Not only that, (as much as I hate to beat a dead horse) your rational that "I would agree that global warming was a crock of shit, if the earth wasn't warming" is fundamentally flawed. Not 30 years ago people were saying that we were heading into a new ice age. Why? Because the earth was cooling.
It's ambiguous conclusions like that that make people think that California is a huge polluter because of it's smog and air quality. It's not, China and the winds are screwing that state over, but because nobody pays attention to the larger picture they automatically think it's a local problem instead of a larger thing. (Like the sun and the Earth temperature)

i don't think it co2 from humans

i'm no scientist or anything and i barely follow it, but i think it has to do with other pollution, like cars, factories etc

i don't believe its bullshit either, very much real.

ps LOL a charlie's deleted post
I always wondered why "scientists" ignore things like how much shit volcano's etc throw up into the air.

[BLACK]

Penn and Teller is a good show.

[Victis]

What I've learned and taken in is.. well, there is way more to it than just co2.

Just based on the major changes the earth has gone through completely on its own (no help from us!) where its reshaped area (back during the ice ages, glaciers would carve the area and slice the landscape as it moved/shifted.. this was before I watched any of this global warming information..

[Craysh]

Oh, and I'd also like to add:
+1'C in the last three decades does not seem too terrifying...

[Damarus]

Try living in Australia where the hole in the ozone layer is...

[Hclinton/Brokenex]

Oh, and I'd also like to add:
+1'C in the last three decades does not seem too terrifying...

takes quite a bit to raise the average GLOBAL temperature 1 degree celsius

[YuriSakazaki]

I blame Catalyst.

[Hclinton/Brokenex]

ever had a hot pocket hot pocket? Kinda tastes like hot pocket

[Siri]

mmmmm hot pockets

[CharlieM]

Things like solar flares (Very active lately), the fact that our magnetic poles are shifting, and the fact of urban heating (Where cities get hotter because concrete doesn't absorb the heat as well as grass and soil).


Solar flares do not cause a constant rise in the temperature. They cause magnetic storms which can and often do cause havoc on our satelites, and power stations.

Concrete not absorbing the heat would actually lead to the earth being COOLER, cause if its not absorbing, its reflecting...


Not only that, (as much as I hate to beat a dead horse) your rational that "I would agree that global warming was a crock of shit, if the earth wasn't warming" is fundamentally flawed. Not 30 years ago people were saying that we were heading into a new ice age. Why? Because the earth was cooling.
It's ambiguous conclusions like that that make people think that California is a huge polluter because of it's smog and air quality. It's not, China and the winds are screwing that state over, but because nobody pays attention to the larger picture they automatically think it's a local problem instead of a larger thing. (Like the sun and the Earth temperature)

30 years ago we didnt have super computer clusters that we could feed all our data into the models we have, that can predict how shit works.
We can get a decently accurate weather forecast of up to 3 months away from present day, irrespective of the small inconsistancies like "it didnt rain where I live exactly, so thats wrong".

So when scientists tell you that pooling fresh water in greenland, as a result of the earths temperature rising, will eventually mix with the salt water in the north atlantic pump, and reverse it, which will essentially reverse the earths radiator, will put the earth into another ice age...you better listen.


I always wondered why "scientists" ignore things like how much shit volcano's etc throw up into the air.

If more volcano's went off, it would actually help the problem. The shit that volcano's spew act more as a shield against the sun than a blanket for the heat like CO2 does. It lowers the temperature of the planet by quite a lot (read: 1-1.5 degrees).

i don't think it co2 from humans

i'm no scientist or anything and i barely follow it, but i think it has to do with other pollution, like cars, factories etc

CO2 from cars and factories...are from humans. They arnt talking about the co2 we breathe out, its the co2 we create when we burn carbon based fuel sources, such as petrolium or coal. They are all human based causes of CO2 that we have alternatives for...that, for some fucked up reason, the majority dont care to change to.


ps LOL a charlie's deleted post
I was editing it, cause the smily faces in it fucked up the syntax...its all better now


Oh, and I'd also like to add:
+1'C in the last three decades does not seem too terrifying...

When +1'C in 30 years is the difference between greenland staying frozen, or pooling and beginning to melt, and large portions of ice in the south america's begins to retreat, or gigantic ice shelves off the coast of alaska break off (100's of square miles in a single chunk) that were previously stable for the past 600,000 years....then 1'C in 30 years is quite terrifying.

Consider 3'C change.

Because the number is so small in magnitude, dont discount the effect it can have.

If you had that value as a representation of the actual energy change, youd see it as a big deal.

[Victis]

Yeah 1 degree can be massive.. the numbers can fool someone who doesn't realize how small a percentage can make a huge impact..

I just don't believe a lot of the information we're getting.. we are bombarded with information with a bias to produce an effect on the population.. this Global warming threat is one thing amongst a grocery list of major issues that exist on this planet..

What people don't realize is the momentum effects like this have, and slowing them down, stopping, and even reversing them takes a ridiculous amount of time in our eyes.. The average human being has little to no patience to be able to work collectively for an extended period of time, especially for something they'll never benefit from themselves (except maybe some gratification for helping the race as a whole) .. the problem is human nature in a lot of cases..

Remember all that talk about the ozone layer? HOLY SHIT ITS GOT THESE HUGE HOLES IN IT! ..we discovered the existence of what we call the ozone layer back in the 1980s.. we've known about it for less than 30 years, and we start making massive claims about whats happening to it and where we're headed because we keep eating away at it (aside from the 2 massive holes over the poles)..

Just a lot of things to consider, and with all the ignorance out there its hard to explain all those variables, so I guess its just easier to incite panic rather than actually explain things as a theory or idea, and not as fact... presenting it as a fact will get action a lot faster than any idea so.. politics..bleh.

[LaEnana]

Zombie farts cause global warming.

[BLACK]

Women cause global warming.

[Craysh]

Victis. I don't think that the reason people don't believe in man-made global warming because they are unaware of the scale that 1 degree truely is. I think the problem that people have is that the earth has been heating up since the Ice Age. (with the exception of the Little Ice Age in the 1600's)

[Monroe]

Lol, stupid faggots like victis who are now saying global warming is a crock of shit, are same faggots who like 2 months ago or something were talking shit to me cause i drive a V8 instead of some piece of shit riceburner. Pick a side and stick to it, faggots.

O ya,

Remember all that talk about the ozone layer? HOLY SHIT ITS GOT THESE HUGE HOLES IN IT! ..we discovered the existence of what we call the ozone layer back in the 1980s.. we've known about it for less than 30 years, and we start making massive claims about whats happening to it and where we're headed because we keep eating away at it (aside from the 2 massive holes over the poles)..

Thats some truly stupid shit, son, you are fucken retraded. In case you havent realized human knowledge moves at exponential scale. Fuck, 100 years ago, 90% of the people didnt even know what electricity is, guess pretty much ALL knoweldge that the world has acumilated is a crock of shit, because like 99.9% of it has been discovered in the past 100years. Thats why they have models and archeology and shit like that son, so they can calculate how shit was back in the day0, stupid. Seriously, I dumb myself down, when I post here because if I just straight up whipped out my brain power, and started swingig that shit around, id hella intimidate everyone here. But even when I dumb myself down and act silly on purpose, you still hella stupid compared to me, and you actually trying to present yourself like you smart.

[CharlieM]

Seriously, I dumb myself down, when I post here because if I just straight up whipped out my brain power, and started swingig that shit around, id hella intimidate everyone here. But even when I dumb myself down and act silly on purpose, you still hella stupid compared to me, and you actually trying to present yourself like you smart.

You were drop kicked as a child, wern't you ?

[Extarian]

Afaik; Australia contributes the single most savage degree of damage to the current atmosphere. Not just because of the amount of mining and processing we do, but the way in which we do it. I approve of the process as it will inevitably destroy humanity and that is something we should be trying to accelerate; so John Howard for the win on that account (and that account only, because otherwise he's a complete fucking prick).

As for a certain someone in this thread, you happen to be a giant, beef-curtain, eighty year old, herpes encrusted, syphilus infested cunt, with a typical nationalist and individual deluded supremecy complex; and you're such a thick headed, self-centered fuck, that you won't even need me to name you!

[Craysh]

LMAO they're not blaming a cat population boom on global warming :P

[Grog]

As for a certain someone in this thread, you happen to be a giant, beef-curtain, eighty year old, herpes encrusted, syphilus infested cunt, with a typical nationalist and individual deluded supremecy complex; and you're such a thick headed, self-centered fuck, that you won't even need me to name you!
is it victis?

[Tassles]

As for a certain someone in this thread, you happen to be a giant, beef-curtain, eighty year old, herpes encrusted, syphilus infested cunt, with a typical nationalist and individual deluded supremecy complex; and you're such a thick headed, self-centered fuck, that you won't even need me to name you!

is it grog?

[Grog]

i'm blaming you for that launcher not dropping >.>

[Alrus]

Victis you've been the Ozone layer argument for like 6 months now? I think that's the fourth time I hear it from you... Yeah we discovered the Ozone layer recently, doesnt change the fact that since then, the ammount of Ozone over the pole reduced at a fast rate... Now it doesnt have much to do with Green house effect that's true. And since the reduction of the CFC gaz emissions, it's slowly recovering.

Now could you develop what information you dont believe in?

[Victis]

Victis you've been the Ozone layer argument for like 6 months now? I think that's the fourth time I hear it from you... Yeah we discovered the Ozone layer recently, doesnt change the fact that since then, the ammount of Ozone over the pole reduced at a fast rate... Now it doesnt have much to do with Green house effect that's true. And since the reduction of the CFC gaz emissions, it's slowly recovering.

Now could you develop what information you dont believe in?

I can't remember the last time I mentioned it...

It doesn't change the fact that the 'layer' is always in flux.. the earth has gone through ice ages and very hot periods that lasted thousands upon thousands of years.. you wanna explain how we caused that shit.. natural disasters are just that...NATURAL.

[BLACK]

CFCs rape ozone, not cars.

[Alrus]

I can't remember the last time I mentioned it...

It doesn't change the fact that the 'layer' is always in flux.. the earth has gone through ice ages and very hot periods that lasted thousands upon thousands of years.. you wanna explain how we caused that shit.. natural disasters are just that...NATURAL.

Except that natural disaster dont happen in 26 years, and again, the Ozone layer has not much to do with global warming...

And the Greenhouse effect is indeed natural, but we're amplificating the effect (not only with Carbonic gaz btw...), and temperature shouldnt go up that fast, you have to realize that the last major change in temperature that happened lately didnt happen in 100 years... it was a lot lot lot longer. Or, it was caused by a rare event (Giant Vulcan explosion or Huge meteorite fall that cause a massive dust cloud keeping the sun ray from hitting the heart -> major glaciation... but those are like extremely rare and it's not what's happening atm)

And I'd just like to know... Why would you think so much people are making this up?

[CharlieM]

Except that natural disaster dont happen in 26 years, and again, the Ozone layer has not much to do with global warming...

And the Greenhouse effect is indeed natural, but we're amplificating the effect (not only with Carbonic gaz btw...), and temperature shouldnt go up that fast, you have to realize that the last major change in temperature that happened lately didnt happen in 100 years... it was a lot lot lot longer. Or, it was caused by a rare event (Giant Vulcan explosion or Huge meteorite fall that cause a massive dust cloud keeping the sun ray from hitting the heart -> major glaciation... but those are like extremely rare and it's not what's happening atm)

And I'd just like to know... Why would you think so much people are making this up?

I dont know where to start.

[Alrus]

Oh come on, English isnt my first language and Im 17, give me a rest.

[Grog]

yeah

[Monroe]

You were drop kicked as a child, wern't you ?

go cry yourself to bed some more, charlie.

[Tengil]

go cry yourself to bed some more, charlie.

Haha, damn we missed you those weeks you were gone. :)

[Victis]

People aren't 'making it up' - its widely accepted as FACT, thats the problem I see.. to say its one thing or the other in this case is almost impossible.. I mean really, look at all the variables..

As for global warming being caused by co2... I don't buy it. I would say we are having an effect on the environment in heavier ways.. mining the minerals and natural resources till we've sucked the planet dry could in turn be our demise.. there is always information and more new information being introduced that these 'facts' are more theory than anything.. there is definitely some solid scientific evidence out there.. but as for co2 specifically being the cause of the spikes in temperature.. I don't think so, not with the evidence that higher temperatures actually create co2.. heat is not a product of co2, co2 is a product of heat...

[Monroe]

People aren't 'making it up' - its widely accepted as FACT, thats the problem I see.. to say its one thing or the other in this case is almost impossible.. I mean really, look at all the variables..

As for global warming being caused by co2... I don't buy it. I would say we are having an effect on the environment in heavier ways.. mining the minerals and natural resources till we've sucked the planet dry could in turn be our demise.. there is always information and more new information being introduced that these 'facts' are more theory than anything.. there is definitely some solid scientific evidence out there.. but as for co2 specifically being the cause of the spikes in temperature.. I don't think so, not with the evidence that higher temperatures actually create co2.. heat is not a product of co2, co2 is a product of heat...

VIctis, you smmoke weed everyday, and help stupid niggers fix their computers. Please shut the fuck up with the scientifical talk.

[Alrus]

People aren't 'making it up' - its widely accepted as FACT, thats the problem I see.. to say its one thing or the other n this case is almost impossible.. I mean really, look at all the variables..

As for global warming being caused by co2... I don't buy it. I would say we are having an effect on the environment in heavier ways.. mining the minerals and natural resources till we've sucked the planet dry could in turn be our demise.. there is always information and more new information being introduced that these 'facts' are more theory than anything.. there is definitely some solid scientific evidence out there.. but as for co2 specifically being the cause of the spikes in temperature.. I don't think so, not with the evidence that higher temperatures actually create co2.. heat is not a product of co2, co2 is a product of heat...

Indeed CO2 isnt the only gaz amplificating the greenhouse effect, there's also Methan, or just water vapor, which is causing most of the greenhouse effect, but we dont have that much influence on that actually. (I dont know the exacts english term so pardon me if those are incorrect).

Everyone talks about Co2 because that's the gaz we have the most influence on and we're responsible of most of its emission. I have few knowledge about the gaz itself, so cant really answer you about the heat producing Co2, but that sounds fishy if you ask me... And saying Co2 doesnt have any influence on the heat spike we're having now is not true... it's not the only cause but it plays a role.

OF COURSE we're doing a lot of things harming the earth(and global warming is more than using fossil fuels btw), but it's already good people start caring about one issue (which isnt minor) and are trying to fix it in their way, then we'll talk about the others (Over fishing, phosphate and chlorate pollution etc etc).

[Extarian]

He made me laugh (and not in a mocking way) .
I believe that is a sign the world is coming to an end shortly.

[Talorth]

Extar....


ASSEMBLE STARFLEET

[Extarian]

What's up? ;o

FUCKING VISTA POPUP THINGIE

[Craysh]

People aren't 'making it up' - its widely accepted as FACT, thats the problem I see.. to say its one thing or the other in this case is almost impossible.. I mean really, look at all the variables..

As for global warming being caused by co2... I don't buy it. I would say we are having an effect on the environment in heavier ways.. mining the minerals and natural resources till we've sucked the planet dry could in turn be our demise.. there is always information and more new information being introduced that these 'facts' are more theory than anything.. there is definitely some solid scientific evidence out there.. but as for co2 specifically being the cause of the spikes in temperature.. I don't think so, not with the evidence that higher temperatures actually create co2.. heat is not a product of co2, co2 is a product of heat...
You're right. It's being accepted as "fact" by a little over half of the scientists and almost all of the media.
The fact is, that by calling it a "fact" they're delegitimizing their point. Anybody who knows ANYTHING about science knows that their are no facts in science. Only a hypothes that have yet to be disproven.

[CharlieM]

Instead of arguing over chance, wether or not something will happen, and are we the cause of it, lets take the discussion in a different direction.

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This guy breaks it down so you dont have to argue over chance, just action or inaction.
Pretty solid thinking.

There are a few small flaws in it, but overall not bad.

[Grog]

pretty good arguement