Hardcore music?

[MrsDemon]

I was just included in a teen conversation and i felt old as hell, They were talking about music and well heavy metal, I'm not dumb to but hardcore wtf is hardcore, I'm sitting there lost in translation and just allowing the kiddies to talk. What kind of music is hardcore.

[LinnEva]

hardcore heavy metal?

thats some really heavy hardcore metal dude

like this

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[MrsDemon]

ooo damn, wow and wtf. The shit ppl listen to

[LinnEva]

i like slipknot

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why is there so many dbz videos with that!

[HooB]

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Not a big fan of either but almost every band has atleast some song that you can bare listen to

[MrsDemon]

I cant agree with that at all. I've made very few exceptions with the metal and rock genres

[MrsDemon]

Blah blah blah blah blah rahhhcan u hear me rah can u hear me Rah rah rah rah, you cannot kill me you cannot kill me blah blah blah blah RAWRRRR!!!!!!!!!

[HooB]

Ye that is usually what people who doesn't get into it hear :) You must have an open mind to hear the beauty

[MrsDemon]

Dont get it twisted my mind is open, but i just cant get into the music

[LinnEva]

ENTER THE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

[MrsDemon]

I just came
































































































but im bout to leave

[1095]

Blah blah blah blah blah rahhhcan u hear me rah can u hear me Rah rah rah rah, you cannot kill me you cannot kill me blah blah blah blah RAWRRRR!!!!!!!!!

I listen to mostly metal and I tend to stay away from bands sounding like that.

Then again, metal's pretty diverse.

Hardcore refers to a branch of metal music. You've also black metal, brutal death metal, symphonic metal, power metal, and so on.

[exiledone]

hardcore is something that people usually wont get into right away, it takes awhile to like it and really enjoy it, you let out alot of passion and emotion when either playing/singing/screaming to it, or playing it as a band, when you scream you get to let out your frustration and such in a way thats musical and constructive to you and everyone else that listens to your music, im not biased towards it, i do really love it, but its great when you go to shows and just go crazy and get in the pit and kick people in the face with scissor kicks lol

[MrsDemon]

lol

[Zelandra]

Hardcore is basically a bunch of guys gathered together, that can't really play their instruments far to well aside from a few chords. They like to play more wierd-sounding chords, trying to set aside their genre from others. They also have vocalists that can't quite carry a note, thus they scream until their vocal chords are torn apart.

Now, some of this is actually fun to listen to, I'm not denying that it's listenable.

Slipknot does not count as hardcore tbh :P

Norma Jean is a good example of hardcore music :D

[exiledone]

Hardcore is basically a bunch of guys gathered together, that can't really play their instruments far to well aside from a few chords. They like to play more wierd-sounding chords, trying to set aside their genre from others. They also have vocalists that can't quite carry a note, thus they scream until their vocal chords are torn apart.

Now, some of this is actually fun to listen to, I'm not denying that it's listenable.

Slipknot does not count as hardcore tbh :P

Norma Jean is a good example of hardcore music :D

dont really listen to norma jean, as i lay dying is one of the best hardcore bands honestly, through struggle and confined are by far their two greatest, no slipknot isn't hardcore, and i've seen some very innovative guitar work from bands like alexisonfire, from autumn to ashes, alesana, blessthefall etc etc

[Damascus]

Full stops(periods, whatever you wanna call them) are for faggots!

[exiledone]

i dont use periods, just comma's because i talk fast and make it all one sentence :P

[MrsDemon]

agree periods are for girls

[Damascus]

i dont use periods, just comma's because i talk fast and make it all one sentence :P

Hm, it's actually interesting to think about whether the way someone types is at all similar to the way they speak.

[MrsDemon]

well in that case, im far from the way i type, I type liek a little geeky school boy well thats the kinda way im trying to go at it. aswell as I type in sentences sometimes or prolonged depending on my laziness

[Zelandra]

dont really listen to norma jean, as i lay dying is one of the best hardcore bands honestly, through struggle and confined are by far their two greatest, no slipknot isn't hardcore, and i've seen some very innovative guitar work from bands like alexisonfire, from autumn to ashes, alesana, blessthefall etc etc

I've never heard, and will never hear, innovation within the instruments of a hardcore band. Again, I do listen to it, but I know I'm not gonna listen to awsome riffs and sweep-picking.

[Grog]

i definitely don't talk with any capitals

[Damascus]

But at least you talk with punctuation!

[Grog]

vraiment

[Monroe]

Hardcore is generally refered to hardcore punk. I generally never listen to that shit, but sometimes when I lift I may put on some hatebreed to make myself rage.

[LinnEva]

well in that case, im far from the way i type, I type liek a little geeky school boy well thats the kinda way im trying to go at it. aswell as I type in sentences sometimes or prolonged depending on my laziness

geccy school boy? fucc no

[stockfisch]

why is there so many dbz videos with that!
because dbz is fucking awesome!

[Damascus]

Hardcore is generally refered to hardcore punk. I generally never listen to that shit, but sometimes when I lift I may put on some hatebreed to make myself rage.

lol I between raging on the forums and raging to hatebreed you must be pretty raged.

[Monroe]

lol I between raging on the forums and raging to hatebreed you must be pretty raged.

I dont rage on forums, I make others rage. But I artificially make myself rage when I lift so I can own it up in the gym.

[LinnEva]

he is a raging closet homosexual who likes to swallow cum

[Grog]

RAGE

[Monroe]

he is a raging closet homosexual who likes to swallow cum

Who? Damascus?

[LinnEva]

monroe, doh. always trying to went his inner gay rage on this forum.

[Monroe]

monroe, doh. always trying to went his inner gay rage on this forum.

I am like the most laid back, and the least gay dude on this forum, what the fuck are you talking about.

[exiledone]

I've never heard, and will never hear, innovation within the instruments of a hardcore band. Again, I do listen to it, but I know I'm not gonna listen to awsome riffs and sweep-picking.

well i guess your just sucked in by speed metal than, i know dragonforce is good but not everything revolves around how fast you can pick your guitar strings, sure it sounds good, the human abstract has alot of great songs, but you shouldn't be so closed minded about the guitar..

Hardcore is generally refered to hardcore punk. I generally never listen to that shit, but sometimes when I lift I may put on some hatebreed to make myself rage.

hardcore evolved from punk and is way beyond any genre of punk now, and lol @ hatebreed, hardcore and hatebreed should never be in the same sentence

[Monroe]

well i guess your just sucked in by speed metal than, i know dragonforce is good but not everything revolves around how fast you can pick your guitar strings, sure it sounds good, the human abstract has alot of great songs, but you shouldn't be so closed minded about the guitar..



hardcore evolved from punk and is way beyond any genre of punk now, and lol @ hatebreed, hardcore and hatebreed should never be in the same sentence

whats wrong with hatebreed

[Grog]

its not hardcore, apparently

[Zelandra]

well i guess your just sucked in by speed metal than, i know dragonforce is good but not everything revolves around how fast you can pick your guitar strings, sure it sounds good, the human abstract has alot of great songs, but you shouldn't be so closed minded about the guitar..

Firstly, I listen mostly to Black & Death Metal.

Secondly, Dragonforce is a bunch of non-talent fucks. I've seen them live three times, and neither of the band members can actually play their instrument. I swear to God, I played the guitar better when I first picked it up.

I'm not closed minded about the guitar, I can guarantee you that 99% of hardcore bands use the same generic formula to produce the sound they make. I'm honestly not an expert at guitar playing, and I can produce the stuff they play with ease. Now I'm not saying that difficulty reflects how good it sounds, I'm just saying there really is little to no innovation within the genre. I still am not denying that I like to listen to it from time to time (although, it is very periodic and only in small doses).

[Grog]

come on now zel, i think we both know you're the one of the most closed minded people on this forum =P

[exiledone]

Firstly, I listen mostly to Black & Death Metal.

end thread

end thread.

[BLACK]

ABORT ABORT

[LinnEva]

hardcore trance
hardcore techno

[mono]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore

[Zelandra]

come on now zel, i think we both know you're the one of the most closed minded people on this forum =P

LIES AND DECIET

end thread

end thread.

I can guarantee you all of the bands I listen to have far superior skills in their instruments when compared to your silly bands. Also, they sound a lot better :p

[exiledone]

I can guarantee you all of the bands I listen to have far superior skills in their instruments when compared to your silly bands. Also, they sound a lot better

matter of opinion

[Zelandra]

matter of opinion

Nope.

[Talorth]

Nope.

in your opinion.*

[MrsDemon]

it's a opinon zel to be honest

[exiledone]

opinion

[WiGgLr]

one two three four,
let me hear you SCREAM if you want some more
like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh push it, push it,
watch me work it, I'm perfect

[Zelandra]

one two three four,
let me hear you SCREAM if you want some more
like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh push it, push it,
watch me work it, I'm perfect

I lol:ed.

And we all know when it comes to music it's either right and wrong, and I'm always right :D

[exiledone]

this thread has ended.

any posts after the end of the thread are nullified and should be disregarded

[Archaos]

Whenever Zel enters with his opinions he tends to not change his mind.

Din't you guys know he was always right.

[Talorth]

I lol:ed.

And we all know when it comes to music it's either right and wrong, and I'm always right :D

in your opinion.*

[Talorth]

one two three four,
let me hear you SCREAM if you want some more
like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh push it, push it,
watch me work it, I'm perfect

Thats like... richard simmons... in a metal band???


I R CONFUSED

[WiGgLr]

one two three four,
let me hear you SCREAM if you want some more
like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh push it, push it,
watch me work it, I'm perfect

Thats like... richard simmons... in a metal band???


I R CONFUSED

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[1095]

I lol:ed.

And we all know when it comes to music it's either right and wrong, and I'm always right :D

Do you listen to Opeth?

[Talorth]

oh my.

[Zelandra]

Whenever Zel enters with his opinions he tends to not change his mind.

Din't you guys know he was always right.

Archaos speaks the truth. But actually, when I'm not on the internet I'm probably the most open-minded person in the world (except for music, I'm always closed minded there).

Do you listen to Opeth?

Indeedelido I do. I'm not hugely into them, but I dig their songs :D

[BLACK]

Archaos speaks the truth. But actually, when I'm not on the internet I'm probably the most open-minded person in the world (except for music, I'm always closed minded there).



And game consoles.


Although you are right about it; the 360 is the best.

[Zelandra]

And game consoles.


Although you are right about it; the 360 is the best.


Well there's no room for opinion there, it's just fact, so I don't count it.

[BLACK]

Lmao, so true.

[ACB]

Lmao, so true.

liar!

[BLACK]

Don't make me stick my Guitar Hero controller up your ass!

[ACB]

Don't make me stick my Guitar Hero controller up your ass!

no omg :/ but maybe we ask grog he will do it for nekkid orc pic'S ! :O

[Perant]

this is how music should sound

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me and zel were gonna do a cover of that song for kicks, but we got beat to it

[Zelandra]

this is how music should sound

nypusXmF5BI

me and zel were gonna do a cover of that song for kicks, but we got beat to it

It's too bad that all music doesn't go through this conversion. See how easily a horrible song turned into something that is so (oh so) sweet for the ears?

Love it.

[damme]

Sounds like shit IMO, that song is beyond rescue.

[HooB]

Sounds like shit IMO, that song is beyond rescue.

Altho CoB did a quite nice attempt even threw in some finnish cussing to make it even better

[Zelandra]

Altho CoB did a quite nice attempt even threw in some finnish cussing to make it even better

Children of Bodom are non-talent cunts.

Cannibal Corpse (who did the above cover) is by far one of the best Death Metal bands of all time.

[Grog]

really? sounds like shit :/
still not an opinion? =P

[BLACK]

RAWR

[1095]

Children of Bodom are non-talent cunts.

Cannibal Corpse (who did the above cover) is by far one of the best Death Metal bands of all time.

I've met too many people that like Children Of Bodom. I wasn't really thrilled by them.

[Zelandra]

I've met too many people that like Children Of Bodom. I wasn't really thrilled by them.

All their albums only have one or two decent songs on them. They have yet to have a "oh my god I just creamed my pants" song, and I feel like it's a waste of money buying their albums.

Finland even spawned CoB's "sister band" Norther, which is a band that sounds exactly like CoB, and they even do the same covers etc.

It's too bad Finland's metal is just going down the drain, I mean between Children of Bodom, Norther, Nightwish, and Him, they really need some good bands to recover.

[damme]

Metal and HIM in the same sentence :(

edit: I do like CoB though and their version of the Spears song was less bad.

[Zelandra]

Metal and HIM in the same sentence :(

He claims to play "Love Metal". I'd punch him in the face if I ever saw that cunt.

[Damarus]

Hardcore isn't music, it's noise. Now some might be enjoyable to listen to, but that doesn't make it music. I like listening to formula one cars, but it doesn't make it music.

I'm willing to bet I have the most eclectic taste of anyone on this forum (or at least like, top 5) - I listen to:
- Classic rock
- Rock (hard rock, soft rock, iunno all of them)
- Some metal (whatever you classify groups like slipknot and Static-X as)
- D&B/Trance/House/Dance
- Rap/Hip hop
- Punk (bits of any of the punk sub-genres - slower stuff, fast hard stuff etc)
- Jazz
- Some pop (shit thats on commercial radio that I don't know what it classifies as but I guess its popular)
- Indie (smashing pumpkins and shit? Iunno again I'm bad on classifications)

And after all of that, I still can't classify hardcore stuff as music. It's noise made with instruments. By definition music is an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color. I am a firm believer in hardcore possessing none of these elements :) Therefore it's expressive noise at best.

[MrsDemon]

lol @ the b spears remake.

[exiledone]

And after all of that, I still can't classify hardcore stuff as music. It's noise made with instruments. By definition music is an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color. I am a firm believer in hardcore possessing none of these elements :) Therefore it's expressive noise at best.

rofl, because the music doesn't sound good enough for you means its has no musical value? hardcore has rhythm, melody, harmony, and color, im sorry that you cannot see it, but thats not anyone's fault but yours.

[Damarus]

Expressive noise made by deranged teens. I've never seen anyone who practices the art of hardcore noise, who looked like they weren't abused as a child. It's not my fault that warped people lose their sense of what is and isn't rhythm and melody and believe that channeling anger through and instrument becomes music.

I never said it didn't sound good, nor did I say I didn't listen to it or enjoy any of it. That was an assumption you made because you were probably too lost in some masterful piece of hardcore mind numbing guitar deficating poetry :p While for the most part it is correct, I can on occasions tolerate the hardcore genre. It doesn't make it music just because it exists and people like and listen to it though. Like I said, I like engine noise but that doesn't mean engines produce music.

Hardcore is expressive noise.

[Xin3]

When i think of Hardcore, i usually think of electronic Hardcore e.g. Thunderdome XXX, which is essentially sped up techno, minus the harmony sequences and a shit load of bass XD.

[Zelandra]

- Some metal (whatever you classify groups like slipknot and Static-X as)


Never ever classify slipknot and static-x as metal. It's like saying that blue is in fact red, and that men have vaginas.

[damme]

and that men have vaginas.

Wouldn't that be grand though ;P

[Damarus]

Never ever classify slipknot and static-x as metal. It's like saying that blue is in fact red, and that men have vaginas.What do you classify stuff like that as? Honest question and not a dig coz I have no idea.,,

Don't try to tell me its rock though, coz there is no way it falls into the same category as like the chilli's and shit... Wouldn't it be some kind of softer metal genre? It seems you just like to think metal means its full on savage hardcore shit and you don't like to have your favourite music associated with anything thats not stab and destroy thrash music.

I figured thats why there were sub genres such as death metal and speed metal. So you can differentiate your fast paced guitar and drum bashing symphonies from the 'weaker' metals.


Also while I remember, I forgot to list bands like Pantera and Metallica before. What genre are these? (Honest question - I just want to know a genre not start a debate on this one :p)

[Zelandra]

What do you classify stuff like that as? Honest question and not a dig coz I have no idea.,,

Don't try to tell me its rock though, coz there is no way it falls into the same category as like the chilli's and shit... Wouldn't it be some kind of softer metal genre? It seems you just like to think metal means its full on savage hardcore shit and you don't like to have your favourite music associated with anything thats not stab and destroy thrash music.

I figured thats why there were sub genres such as death metal and speed metal. So you can differentiate your fast paced guitar and drum bashing symphonies from the 'weaker' metals.


Also while I remember, I forgot to list bands like Pantera and Metallica before. What genre are these? (Honest question - I just want to know a genre not start a debate on this one :p)

Ah, you were honestly confused and didn't know what to classify them as. I'll help you out :D

Static-X and Slipknot are what we classify as "neo". Now this obviously just means "new" (just like neoclassicism [sp?]). Some people like to slap metal behind it, but to be honest, I don't think it is. I just call the genre Neo, and most people actually agree with me.

There's a ton of sub-genres out there, and over the years I've developed quite the keen sense for them. I can listen to almost any song from any band without previous knowledge of the song and classify it right away :D

Pantera and Metallica are both Thrash Metal :D

[MrsDemon]

all succs imo

[Damarus]

Ah, you were honestly confused and didn't know what to classify them as. I'll help you out :D

Static-X and Slipknot are what we classify as "neo". Now this obviously just means "new" (just like neoclassicism [sp?]). Some people like to slap metal behind it, but to be honest, I don't think it is. I just call the genre Neo, and most people actually agree with me.

There's a ton of sub-genres out there, and over the years I've developed quite the keen sense for them. I can listen to almost any song from any band without previous knowledge of the song and classify it right away :D

Pantera and Metallica are both Thrash Metal :DAhh ok thanks. Music genres confuse the fuck out of me lol :p

[exiledone]

Expressive noise made by deranged teens. I've never seen anyone who practices the art of hardcore noise, who looked like they weren't abused as a child. It's not my fault that warped people lose their sense of what is and isn't rhythm and melody and believe that channeling anger through and instrument becomes music.

I never said it didn't sound good, nor did I say I didn't listen to it or enjoy any of it. That was an assumption you made because you were probably too lost in some masterful piece of hardcore mind numbing guitar deficating poetry :p While for the most part it is correct, I can on occasions tolerate the hardcore genre. It doesn't make it music just because it exists and people like and listen to it though. Like I said, I like engine noise but that doesn't mean engines produce music.

Hardcore is expressive noise.

ok, with your logic, anything that you dont think sounds good to your ears isn't music, it's in fact expressive noise, but what is music but noise? sure its many different things, but bottom line, noise. and about the little ditty about abused as a child and losing sense of rhythm and melody, your just stating assumptions blindly, if you cannot find rhythm in hardcore go listen to as i lay dying, plenty of rhythm, plenty of melody. your definition of music is greatly flawed, go listen to james blunt - you are beautiful and cry yourself to sleep.

[Damarus]

ok, with your logic, anything that you dont think sounds good to your ears isn't music, it's in fact expressive noise, but what is music but noise? sure its many different things, but bottom line, noise. and about the little ditty about abused as a child and losing sense of rhythm and melody, your just stating assumptions blindly, if you cannot find rhythm in hardcore go listen to as i lay dying, plenty of rhythm, plenty of melody. your definition of music is greatly flawed, go listen to james blunt - you are beautiful and cry yourself to sleep.LOL wow... My logic stated that I like the sound of engines - I do not however classify this as music, because it isn't. How do you pull that conclusion about my logic out of your ass? By your statement, I would think the sound of engines is music because i like the sound of it.

I also stated that I don't dislike the sound of all hardcore, therefore again your theory on my logic fails. I don't have to classify a sound as music just because I don't mind listening to it. By your logic every sound in the world that is enjoyable is music. I will go listen to those songs later (I'm at work right now), and maybe my opinion will change. As I've stated before I am bad at classifying genres so I may have disregarded hardcore songs with rhythm on the basis of me no longer thinking it was hardcore if it sounded at all like music.

As far as crying myself to sleep to James Blunt goes:
a. James Blunt is aweful (still music though - possesses all the elements I previously stated)
b. It's lunch time and I'm not tired
c. I thought crying yourself to sleep was the angry non-conformist teen thing to do? Not the generic pop listener...

oh and:
d. Just remembered what song that James Blunt one is. I'd classify it as a love song (theres like 1 sad line in the chorus and despite that he still speaks of feeling brilliant and shit, so yer) and not an emo song so I'd be more inclined to hug my pillow than cry if I were to take your advice.

[exiledone]

LOL wow... My logic stated that I like the sound of engines - I do not however classify this as music, because it isn't. How do you pull that conclusion about my logic out of your ass? By your statement, I would think the sound of engines is music because i like the sound of it.

music isn't just classified on the principals you've stated, anything that has a sound can be classified as music, the guy on the street corner playing the bongo drums, thats music, if you took a car engine sound and put some rhythm into it and added drums it could be classified as music.

I also stated that I don't dislike the sound of all hardcore, therefore again your theory on my logic fails. I don't have to classify a sound as music just because I don't mind listening to it. By your logic every sound in the world that is enjoyable is music. I will go listen to those songs later (I'm at work right now), and maybe my opinion will change. As I've stated before I am bad at classifying genres so I may have disregarded hardcore songs with rhythm on the basis of me no longer thinking it was hardcore if it sounded at all like music.

every sound in the world could be music if you made a song out of it. i'm sorry your bad at classifying genre's, obviously you could be confused, no ones fault but yours.

As far as crying myself to sleep to James Blunt goes:
a. James Blunt is aweful (still music though - possesses all the elements I previously stated)
b. It's lunch time and I'm not tired
c. I thought crying yourself to sleep was the angry non-conformist teen thing to do? Not the generic pop listener...

a. awful
b. eat
c. no non-conformist angry teen here sorry


oh and:
d. Just remembered what song that James Blunt one is. I'd classify it as a love song

and i would classify it as, lol don't care.

sleep time night

[Damarus]

music isn't just classified on the principals you've stated, anything that has a sound can be classified as music, the guy on the street corner playing the bongo drums, thats music, if you took a car engine sound and put some rhythm into it and added drums it could be classified as music.Thats very Sound of Music of you. Incorrect though. Any sound is not music. Of course drums are musical if there's a guy making a rhythm with them. Of course car engine noises can be musical if you turn them into music lol... What you should be saying is any sound can be turned into music, NOT that any sound IS music. This is an absurd statement.

every sound in the world could be music if you made a song out of it. i'm sorry your bad at classifying genre's, obviously you could be confused, no ones fault but yours.I see no fault in my own opinion, I'm sorry if you don't agree with someone thinking hardcore is trash. I know I didn't state that it was only my opinion and not a direct truth, but It'd be no fun if I said it without any kind of malice towards the genre. Your first statement is true though, every sound could be music if you made a song out of it. Because songs are music. It doesn't hold any direct relation to me saying hardcore is not music though, we shall disregard this argument from this point on as we both seem to be in agreeance that music is infact musical.


a. awful
b. eat
c. no non-conformist angry teen here sorry
a. my bad, I can't argue with that I spelt it wrong.
b. done.
c. could've fooled me, but again I can't argue with that. After all, I am not you.


sleep time night
Enjoy some nice hardcore to put you to sleep :p

[Talorth]

/sides with polar.