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[Will]

Armed police raid home after mistaking Lara Croft dummy for gunman

James Tozer - More by this author » (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/dmsearch/overture.html?in_page_id=711&in_overture_ua=cat&in_start_number=0&in_restriction=byline&in_query=james%20tozer&in_name=on&in_order_by=relevance+date) Last updated at 18:57pm on 15th May 2007 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/i/commentIconSm.gif Comments (2) (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=455037&in_page_id=1770#StartComments)
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_01/laracroft1RB1505_228x388.jpgModel behaviour: The mannequin armed police swooped on

When police spotted a gun-wielding suspect lurking in the shadows of a suburban front room, their response was swift.
Armed officers burst into the house, shouted at the owner to lie on the floor, and ordered him to surrender his weapon.
But efficiency turned to embarrassment when the "gunman" turned out to be a life-sized model of the video game character Lara Croft, complete with trademark outsized pistols.
Computer shop owner David Williams, 42, had taken the dummy home to put it up for sale on the auction site eBay.
As the source of the confusion dawned on all concerned, it might have been the moment for an apology from the police.
Instead, however, Mr Williams was taken to the cells and held for more than 13 hours before being released.
He is now on bail for a suspected firearms offence, and Lara Croft remains impounded as evidence.

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http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_01/laracroftRB1505_468x372.jpgDavid Williams was arrested for having Lara Croft model in window


"It would have been laughable if it hadn't been so terrifying," he said yesterday. "One of the police held a gun and yelled, 'Where's the weapon, where's the weapon?'
"I didn't have a clue what was going on, I assumed they'd got the wrong house. I couldn't believe it when I realised they'd mistaken a Lara Croft dummy for someone with a gun."
Father-of-two Mr Williams had phoned police after receiving nuisance phone calls, and officers arrived at his house in Dukinfield, near Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester, shortly before midnight.
He says he did not hear them arrive, but unknown to him one officer had seen the dummy's silhouette through the front window and called for armed back-up.
Soon afterwards, the street was cordoned off and a team of armed officers burst in through Mr Williams's back door.
A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said officers peered inside after Mr Williams failed to answer his front door.
"They believed they saw a silhouette of a person pointing what appeared to be a firearm inside the house," she said.
They followed "correct procedure" by withdrawing to await armed officers, she added.
"Officers then went into the house and found a mannequin holding a toy weapon."
Mr Williams, who says he is speaking to lawyers about a possible claim for wrongful arrest, will hear whether he faces further action when he answers bail next month.







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[Grog]

someones found a nice site to go on :>

[Will]

someones found a nice site to go on :>

Yes I have, it's called the Mondrated. <3

[Monroe]

whath the hell is tout punting

[WiGgLr]

touts = people selling tickets or wares, usually aggressively, usually overpriced

punting = using a pole to propel a boat up a river (at least in the context displayed)

[Will]

whath the hell is tout punting

Some weird perversion of the language that those in the UK claim to have spawned, but rarely speak :p

[WiGgLr]

Some weird perversion of the language that those in the UK claim to have spawned, but rarely speak :p

*sigh*

Lets quote an American Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com)

American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=tout&ia=ahd4) tout http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Ftout) (tout) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
v. tout·ed, tout·ing, touts

v. intr.

To solicit customers, votes, or patronage, especially in a brazen way.
To obtain and deal in information on racehorses.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=tout&ia=luna)
tout http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Ftout)/taʊt/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tout]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, Informal. –verb (used without object) 1.to solicit business, employment, votes, or the like, importunately. 2.Horse Racing. to act as a tout. –verb (used with object) 3.to solicit support for importunately. 4.to describe or advertise boastfully; publicize or promote; praise extravagantly: a highly touted nightclub.





American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=punting&ia=ahd4) punt 1 http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fpunting) (pŭnt) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
n. An open flatbottom boat with squared ends, used in shallow waters and usually propelled by a long pole.

v. punt·ed, punt·ing, punts

v. tr.

To propel (a boat) with a pole.
To carry in a punt.v. intr.
To go in a punt.




They're both in your bastardised version of our language too. At least make your flames educated.

[Monroe]

*sigh*

Lets quote an American Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com)

American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=tout&ia=ahd4) tout http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Ftout) (tout) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
v. tout·ed, tout·ing, touts

v. intr.

To solicit customers, votes, or patronage, especially in a brazen way.
To obtain and deal in information on racehorses.Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=tout&ia=luna)
tout http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Ftout)/taʊt/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tout]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, Informal. –verb (used without object) 1.to solicit business, employment, votes, or the like, importunately. 2.Horse Racing. to act as a tout. –verb (used with object) 3.to solicit support for importunately. 4.to describe or advertise boastfully; publicize or promote; praise extravagantly: a highly touted nightclub.





American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=punting&ia=ahd4) punt 1 http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fpunting) (pŭnt) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
n. An open flatbottom boat with squared ends, used in shallow waters and usually propelled by a long pole.

v. punt·ed, punt·ing, punts

v. tr.

To propel (a boat) with a pole.
To carry in a punt.v. intr.
To go in a punt.




They're both in your bastardised version of our language too. At least make your flames educated.

So i dont get it, they aggressivly tell people to ride their boat or something. What the fuck, if some boat driver fucked wit hme lieke that i would punchh him in the face.

[Will]

*sigh*

Lets quote an American Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com)

American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=tout&ia=ahd4) tout http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Ftout) (tout) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
v. tout·ed, tout·ing, touts

v. intr.
To solicit customers, votes, or patronage, especially in a brazen way.
To obtain and deal in information on racehorses.Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=tout&ia=luna)
tout http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Ftout)/taʊt/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tout]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, Informal. –verb (used without object) 1.to solicit business, employment, votes, or the like, importunately. 2.Horse Racing. to act as a tout. –verb (used with object) 3.to solicit support for importunately. 4.to describe or advertise boastfully; publicize or promote; praise extravagantly: a highly touted nightclub.





American Heritage Dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=punting&ia=ahd4) punt 1 http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fpunting) (pŭnt) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
n. An open flatbottom boat with squared ends, used in shallow waters and usually propelled by a long pole.

v. punt·ed, punt·ing, punts

v. tr.
To propel (a boat) with a pole.
To carry in a punt.v. intr.
To go in a punt.




They're both in your bastardised version of our language too. At least make your flames educated.

So, your police overreact much?

[WiGgLr]

So i dont get it, they aggressivly tell people to ride their boat or something. What the fuck, if some boat driver fucked wit hme lieke that i would punchh him in the face.

Imagine walking down a street of restaurants while in a busy tourist town/city. You have the touts trying to pull you into their restaurant. Lots of different ones all for different restaurants. It's nice to just look at the menu and establishments yourself before deciding where you're going to eat, not get pestered by the touts.

Now switch that to the people selling tickets for the boats when you more than likely don't want to ride one and your streets away from the river thames anyway.... that's the issue here I think.

[Will]

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9785/copdossierdm1405468x359mh1.jpg

Looks like you guys have the whole firearms thing under control at least.

[WiGgLr]

So, your police overreact much?

Do yours?
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[Grog]

wait wig, he has a point. REVOLUTION

[Monroe]

Imagine walking down a street of restaurants while in a busy tourist town/city. You have the touts trying to pull you into their restaurant. Lots of different ones all for different restaurants. It's nice to just look at the menu and establishments yourself before deciding where you're going to eat, not get pestered by the touts.

Now switch that to the people selling tickets for the boats when you more than likely don't want to ride one and your streets away from the river thames anyway.... that's the issue here I think.

They havee those in NY trying to get people to go into strip clubs and shit, but usually a nice "shut the fuck up"" or "leave me the fuck alone" took care of them.

[Archaos]

wait wig, he has a point. REVOLUTION

Dude, they are arresting kids for throwing donuts and shit.

You guys need to RAGE!

[Will]

Do yours?
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Of course they do.

My point is to illustrate that the people of the UK live in a police state. We in America are on our way unless we halt the transformation.

You have 1 CCTV camera for every 14 people on your island. You arrest children for having plastic guns, write fines for dropping crackers on the ground, arrest brides (on their wedding day) for hitting a parking barrier, and you hold people in cells for 13hrs for having life sized replicas Laura Croft in their living rooms (which is equally disturbing).

I guess my point here is people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones so feel free to stop bashing America any time.

Support Ron Paul, the only choice for America!

[Archaos]

Ron Paul isn't going to win, some moron is gonna.

Stop wasting your time.

[Will]

Ron Paul isn't going to win, some moron is gonna.

Stop wasting your time.

Did you see the debates? HE won both of them imo, he even managed to come in second on Fox's own rigged text only open for 3hrs only debate poll. Now the mainstream media is actively trying to censor his message and his obvious support. They are definitely afraid of this guy because, gasp, he tells the truth.

Stop being a mindless automaton sitting on the sidelines telling others what will and won't work.

[Grog]

Of course they do.

My point is
ah shit i only got this far and i just couldn't keep reading

[Grindrolas]

CARTWHEELS!

[Will]

ah shit i only got this far and i just couldn't keep reading

You are like a lot of the people in my country; incredibly short attention spans.

[Grog]

i should get that checked out shouldnt i. does it mean anything that it's selective?

[Will]

i should get that checked out shouldnt i. does it mean anything that it's selective?

It means whatever you want it to mean; I was just trying to steal some thunder from your incredibly funny use of "limited quotation with added caption."

Support Ron Paul!!! If you do, we promise not to invade your country :p

[BLACK]

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[Monroe]

Even if hypothetically Ron Paul wins (which he wont), he will make a bad president. I agree with him on more policies, that I disagree with him though. My main disagreements would be over iraq war, over some aspects of his foregn policy, and over the whole irs/fed shit. But even if his views on those topics to suit mine, I would still think he would make a bad president.
Majority of his views are too extreme, so I dont see him accomplishing much in terms of policy because he would spend most of the time battling congress. Also majority of his policies would take longer than 8 years to accomplish which shows to me that he doesnnt have a clear projection of his leadership.
He is a very good public speaker, and especially if he says what you want to hear, can easily move you to his side, but if you analyse his positions carefully, you will see that they are nothing more than wishful thinking.
I would certanly vote for him as a representative, I would probably vote for him as a senator, the government certanly needs people like him to balance things out. I would even go as far as let him pick the next supreme court justice, since Stevens will retire during the next presidents tenure, and I think a judge with strong liberterian inclinations would be good for Supreme Court and the Country. But having his as an acting president would make the country weaker.

[Will]

Even if hypothetically Ron Paul wins (which he wont), he will make a bad president. I agree with him on more policies, that I disagree with him though. My main disagreements would be over iraq war, over some aspects of his foregn policy, and over the whole irs/fed shit. But even if his views on those topics to suit mine, I would still think he would make a bad president.
Majority of his views are too extreme, so I dont see him accomplishing much in terms of policy because he would spend most of the time battling congress. Also majority of his policies would take longer than 8 years to accomplish which shows to me that he doesnnt have a clear projection of his leadership.
He is a very good public speaker, and especially if he says what you want to hear, can easily move you to his side, but if you analyse his positions carefully, you will see that they are nothing more than wishful thinking.
I would certanly vote for him as a representative, I would probably vote for him as a senator, the government certanly needs people like him to balance things out. I would even go as far as let him pick the next supreme court justice, since Stevens will retire during the next presidents tenure, and I think a judge with strong liberterian inclinations would be good for Supreme Court and the Country. But having his as an acting president would make the country weaker.

His policies are based solely on the constitution of the United States. Everything we are doing now pretty much violates that document. We need someone to reinstate the constitution and Ron Paul is the only one that can do it. Clearly, the powers that be are afraid of him, which is why they are actively trying to smear him while at the same time calling him a second tier candidate (I love the duplicity)

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Fox News actually had to bury it's own poll results from the second debate where they figured they could destroy him. He came in second behind Mitt Romney on Fox's "rigged" poll (that's my opinion from watching the debates, watching Ron Paul taking the lead in the poll with 30%, only to have it dramatically turnaround in the "last" 20 minutes of the poll in favor of Romney (who notably would like to double the size of Gitmo). FYI, he won the first debate hands down and on many online polls won the second debate hands down as well. Many conservative blogs and polls are removing Ron Paul form their sites because he keeps winning. It is truly amazing to watch.

I'm not focusing on whether or not I think he can win because if enough people hear his message, he WILL win. Take a closer look at his politics:

>He has never voted to raise taxes.
>He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
>He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
>He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
>He has never taken a government-paid junket.
>He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. He voted against the Patriot Act.
>He voted against regulating the Internet.
>He voted against the Iraq war.

He provides the only alternative from "more of the same". It wouldn't matter if Hillary or Rudy or John McCain or Barack Obama get elected; things would go on the exact same track as before (the wrong track...except Barak would get assasinated).

Now, watching the MSM's reaction to his obvious momentum is interesting. Like anything they wish to change the subject on, first they ignore it, then they laugh at it, then they attack it. They have gone to stage 3 against a "lower tier candidate" who "can't win", in a very short period of time. Why do you think that is?

Comment: We have already been made a weaker country. We have to borrow billions just to keep ourselves afloat. We have a multi-trillion dollar deficit. WHEN the rest of the world decides to dump the dollar as it's reserve currency, watch how much fun you have then. Our economic prosperity is linked to the desires of international bankers. Our borders with Mexico and Canada are being erased and a North American Union is being erected underneath us. Our Armed Forces are at the breaking point. A draft is imminent. How exactly is any of this good for our country? We do need a radical change and Ron Paul will provide it. Oh yeah, we lost the last two wars we started, that also sucks.

[Jadien]

LMFAO @ the guy telling the cop to fuck off and the cop beats his ass with a baton, good shit!1! hahaha

[Will]

LMFAO @ the guy telling the cop to fuck off and the cop beats his ass with a baton, good shit!1! hahaha

Yeah, he must be a tough guy or something.

[WiGgLr]

Comment: We have already been made a weaker country. We have to borrow billions just to keep ourselves afloat. We have a multi-trillion dollar deficit. WHEN the rest of the world decides to dump the dollar as it's reserve currency, watch how much fun you have then. Our economic prosperity is linked to the desires of international bankers. Our borders with Mexico and Canada are being erased and a North American Union is being erected underneath us. Our Armed Forces are at the breaking point. A draft is imminent. How exactly is any of this good for our country? We do need a radical change and Ron Paul will provide it.


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HALP!

[Will]

OMG THE SKY IS FALLING



HALP!

OMG big font size to hammer my "lack of a point" home!!!!!!

Vote for Ron Paul!

[Monroe]

Like I said, I agree with him on the majority of issues.

It doesnt matter how many polls he wins, he will never be a president or a vice president, I think if he ever makes it to senator that is as far as he will go.

He will not win the republican primary, old people (the demographic that has the highest voting %age) will not vote for him since he is aiming to eleminate a lot of social assistance programs on which old people depend. Republican party will not support him for a president because like I said he is unelectable. DOnt get me wrong, he is an important guy in government in term that he provides balance with his liberterian views, but I dont see him as a president, even if he somehow wins it would be bad for the country. I would go with McCain/Paul but chances of that are virtually nil. Out of "electable" candidates, I would say McCain/Guiliani is the lesser of the evils. I would actually be worried if Republican party comes out with McCain/Paul because if Democrats win, we are all fucked.

[Will]

Like I said, I agree with him on the majority of issues.

It doesnt matter how many polls he wins, he will never be a president or a vice president, I think if he ever makes it to senator that is as far as he will go.

He will not win the republican primary, old people (the demographic that has the highest voting %age) will not vote for him since he is aiming to eleminate a lot of social assistance programs on which old people depend. Republican party will not support him for a president because like I said he is unelectable. DOnt get me wrong, he is an important guy in government in term that he provides balance with his liberterian views, but I dont see him as a president, even if he somehow wins it would be bad for the country. I would go with McCain/Paul but chances of that are virtually nil. Out of "electable" candidates, I would say McCain/Guiliani is the lesser of the evils. I would actually be worried if Republican party comes out with McCain/Paul because if Democrats win, we are all fucked.

I disagree with your assertion. I think most of the people in this country are sick and tired of the bullshit. Ron Paul is anti bullshit and with the internet being the great equalizer, we shall see. Dean made good use of it all the way up until his primal scream (which Fox News aired over and over again in a fair and balanced fashion). Point being, you don't have to come from the establishment anymore. It is a more difficult track to take, but the internet resonates with younger voters who simply don't turn on the television.

Watch how the MSM continues to try and marginalize him. One thing I have learned in observing outlets like Fox News: if they are attacking you, they are scared. If their attacks don't achieve immediate success, they step them up. They have already brought in NeoCon big gun Michelle Malkin (I assume Ann Coulter is salivating at the chance to berate him). Sean Hannity showed the least amount of respect I have ever seen shown for any congressman (even the one Eddie Murphy played in the "Distinguished Gentleman"). The only trouble with Ron Paul is he is squeaky clean. He isn't on the take so they can't blackmail him. The only thing they can really do to him is take things he says out of context. The trouble with that is everything he says makes sense for the country so they have to do it very delicately. Interesting to watch.

Vote for:

[WiGgLr]

I disagree with your assertion. I think most of the people in this country are sick and tired of the bullshit. Ron Paul is anti bullshit and with the internet being the great equalizer, we shall see.

Most people in the UK are sick and tired of the bullshit from Blair too. It's interesting how Gordon Brown is saying that he's going to bring in a new kind of politics without the bullshit, but tbh, I think it's beyond hope for winning the next general election.

[WiGgLr]

I'm going to abuse my admondrator powers, muahahaha

[WiGgLr]

hehehehehe:
http://www.themondrated.com/member.php?u=347

[Will]

Most people in the UK are sick and tired of the bullshit from Blair too. It's interesting how Gordon Brown is saying that he's going to bring in a new kind of politics without the bullshit, but tbh, I think it's beyond hope for winning the next general election.

I think the powers that be would like nothing better then for us to abandon hope for positive change. They hope we just go to work, go home, fuck our wives, watch the telly, and keep our mouths shut.

If you have a candidate that you think can effect real change, get behind him. For every 10 George Bush's there is one Ron Paul. For every 10 Tony Blair's there is a ______________(<-------Insert Winston Churchill type here).

[Will]

I'm going to abuse my admondrator powers, muahahaha

Childlike laugh for a childlike action....gg

Comment: Sorry for outwitting you to the point of prompting you to engage in your admitted abuse....I'll try to avoid it in the future, trouble is, it's so damn easy.

[Grog]

no seriously guys

I was just trying to steal some thunder from your incredibly funny use of "limited quotation with added caption."
not saying much would probably help your situation william

[Will]

no seriously guys

Do you ever mix up in it or do you always sit on the sideline and criticize (just curious)?

[Grog]

well i'm not really critisizing, i didn't even read the damn thing so how could i? i'm simply expressing how i don't give a crap about what it is you're typing. you have every right to post here tho ^^

[Monroe]

What did you do with your moderator powers? Ban him?



Will, you are overestimating power of the internet. A lot of people dont have internet, especially in the midwestern and southern states. Also the highest % voting demographic, old people, are the lowest % demographic in terms of internet use.
Main problem with Paul other than the fact that most of his long term policies that he is proposing are unrealizible, is that he will 100% lose to Obama/Clinton. And every Republican and really any person with any common sence at all will nominate anyone who has the best chance to beat Obama/Clinton, because like I said if those 2 make it to white house we are all fucken beyond any recognizable belief. Fuck, I would vote for the mormon guy before I let those 2 into the white house.1

[Grog]

HOLY SHIT I GOT TO THE SECOND SENTENCE

[Will]

What did you do with your moderator powers? Ban him?



Will, you are overestimating power of the internet. A lot of people dont have internet, especially in the midwestern and southern states. Also the highest % voting demographic, old people, are the lowest % demographic in terms of internet use.
Main problem with Paul other than the fact that most of his long term policies that he is proposing are unrealizible, is that he will 100% lose to Obama/Clinton. And every Republican and really any person with any common sence at all will nominate anyone who has the best chance to beat Obama/Clinton, because like I said if those 2 make it to white house we are all fucken beyond any recognizable belief. Fuck, I would vote for the mormon guy before I let those 2 into the white house.1

He posted my User Profile after he changed my sig to one of support for Hillary Clinton (bleh). At first I thought it was funny but then I was like, damn, that's his only come back?

I may be overestimating the internet but I am not overestimating Ron Paul's message or his politics. Further, I am not overestimating the American people's desire for a president just like him. He may not look like a Kennedy, but he has Kennedy's values. The internet will keep him on life support until the MSM has no choice but to showcase him, lest they become even more transparent. The internet won't carry him to the presidency, but it will give him the springboard he needs to be taken seriously (as did his performance in the 1st two debates)

I think you are underestimating the hatred for Hillary Clinton in the Red States. No way they vote to elect a woman, no matter how many fund raisers Rupert Murdoch throws for her. Obama is already petering off. I'm surprised you would go for Romney, given his stance on homosexuals. This is your guy Monroe, right here:

[Will]

Ron Paul goes viral?

The Michigan GOP has called for and circulated a petition for the removal of Ron Paul from the debates. I assume this is because he is such a "non factor, no way he could win, second tier candidate" that no one is going to vote for him (so might as well dump him from the already crowded debate stage now). Interesting thoughts when you look at them in context with this developing story:

http://studentsforpaul.org/whats_happening_michigan_gop

Apparently, they had to shut down their operation today because they were getting too many calls from Ron Paul supporters. Still think he can't win?

[Monroe]

He posted my User Profile after he changed my sig to one of support for Hillary Clinton (bleh). At first I thought it was funny but then I was like, damn, that's his only come back?

I may be overestimating the internet but I am not overestimating Ron Paul's message or his politics. Further, I am not overestimating the American people's desire for a president just like him. He may not look like a Kennedy, but he has Kennedy's values. The internet will keep him on life support until the MSM has no choice but to showcase him, lest they become even more transparent. The internet won't carry him to the presidency, but it will give him the springboard he needs to be taken seriously (as did his performance in the 1st two debates)

I think you are underestimating the hatred for Hillary Clinton in the Red States. No way they vote to elect a woman, no matter how many fund raisers Rupert Murdoch throws for her. Obama is already petering off. I'm surprised you would go for Romney, given his stance on homosexuals. This is your guy Monroe, right here:


I have no idea what Romneys stance for homosexuals is. Overall gay rights is a non issue for me, I oculd care less one way or the other. For me, main issues are (in order of importance): No gun control,yes for lower taxes, no universal health care, yes for free trade, yes for support of israel, yes for support for war in iraq and iran, no illegal immigration, yes for pro life, yes for death penalty and asisted suicide, yes for ratings control for violent content for minors.

[Will]

I have no idea what Romneys stance for homosexuals is. Overall gay rights is a non issue for me, I oculd care less one way or the other. For me, main issues are (in order of importance): No gun control,yes for lower taxes, no universal health care, yes for free trade, yes for support of israel, yes for support for war in iraq and iran, no illegal immigration, yes for pro life, yes for death penalty and asisted suicide, yes for ratings control for violent content for minors.

We should seriously discuss the Iraq debacle. That aside, he is your guy. Mitt Romney is for open borders so you might not want to vote for the Mormon. Ron Paul would abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve: net result, no income tax = lower taxes imo. He would support Israel (like every other politician in DC I suppose) by continuing to make them the largest beneficiary of our benevolence, he is very pro-life (he was an OBGYN I believe who delivered over 4000 babies, he is pro death penalty (or else there is no way he could represent anyone from Tx), he is for no illegal immigration (including the horrible bill they just came up with). Not sure about ratings control or assisted suicide but I'm with you on those. And here's the best part.....when someone asks him about his position on a particular subject, he gives a straightforward and honest response. He isn't in it for the money, he is in it for the people, which is precisely why he is being smeared now....however, it won't work. I just tried to call the GoP headquarters in Michigan but they are all out at the moment. I left them a message to stop trying to get rid of the only actual conservative on stage. I left my name and number since the voice msg said to do just that. I'll let you know if they call back.

Dude, this IS your guy. Vote for Ron Paul!

[Monroe]

We should seriously discuss the Iraq debacle. That aside, he is your guy. Mitt Romney is for open borders so you might not want to vote for the Mormon. Ron Paul would abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve: net result, no income tax = lower taxes imo. He would support Israel (like every other politician in DC I suppose) by continuing to make them the largest beneficiary of our benevolence, he is very pro-life (he was an OBGYN I believe who delivered over 4000 babies, he is pro death penalty (or else there is no way he could represent anyone from Tx), he is for no illegal immigration (including the horrible bill they just came up with). Not sure about ratings control or assisted suicide but I'm with you on those. And here's the best part.....when someone asks him about his position on a particular subject, he gives a straightforward and honest response. He isn't in it for the money, he is in it for the people, which is precisely why he is being smeared now....however, it won't work. I just tried to call the GoP headquarters in Michigan but they are all out at the moment. I left them a message to stop trying to get rid of the only actual conservative on stage. I left my name and number since the voice msg said to do just that. I'll let you know if they call back.

Dude, this IS your guy. Vote for Ron Paul!

Ya, but he is inelectable, so voting for him is throwing your vote away. Plus, his views are too extreme to actually pass the congress which tells me in the end he will not accomplish much. I dont agree with him on eleminating IRS/FED, I do believe there should be some federal taxes, and there are some projects that are simply too large foor anyone to undertake but federal govt.
And I dont know about straightforward or honest responce part. I havent seen anyone ask him yet but Im sure someone asked him "If by some chance you are elected president, do you really think you can accomplish some of the ideas that you presented, specifically the IRS/FED one, and a few others?" If he answered "yes" to that question, than ether he is lying or he is crazy. Neither one of those options is attractive.
And I said I would vote for Romney before I let Obama/Clinton into the white house, dont twist my words, hes not high on my list ether, just a lesser of the evils

[Will]

Ya, but he is inelectable, so voting for him is throwing your vote away. Plus, his views are too extreme to actually pass the congress which tells me in the end he will not accomplish much. I dont agree with him on eleminating IRS/FED, I do believe there should be some federal taxes, and there are some projects that are simply too large foor anyone to undertake but federal govt.
And I dont know about straightforward or honest responce part. I havent seen anyone ask him yet but Im sure someone asked him "If by some chance you are elected president, do you really think you can accomplish some of the ideas that you presented, specifically the IRS/FED one, and a few others?" If he answered "yes" to that question, than ether he is lying or he is crazy. Neither one of those options is attractive.
And I said I would vote for Romney before I let Obama/Clinton into the white house, dont twist my words, hes not high on my list ether, just a lesser of the evils

The "extreme" policy was to institute the Federal Reserve and the IRS in the first place (which is patently unconstitutional). His views seem extreme because we (by we I mean Republicans and Democrats) have gotten used to doing whatever the hell we want. We print money with no regard for inflation. We go to war without declaring it. We basically made the President Of the United States a dictator. We wiretap our citizens without warrents, we jail our citizens without habeus corpus. That is extreme. We need extreme the other way. Abolishing the Fed wasn't my idea (lol). There has been a grassroots effort to do away with it for about as long as it has been in effect. I know you are comfortable with foreigners holding control over your economy but most of the country isn't. Heck, most of the country isn't even aware that the Federal Reserve is a collection of PRIVATE banks! Most assume "The Fed" is the federal government. Pretty cool how they named a foreign entity so that most would get that mixed up. I am in the Lending industry and it took me a long time to wrap my brain around that. Imagine how the average person out there feels, or would feel, if they found out the truth. That's what we have a chance for with Ron Paul. Real change. No more bullshit. No more globalist agenda.

America..........fuck yeah!!!!

Wasn't trying to twist your words, just going off what you said....so who would you vote for at this point?

[Talorth]

To the above posts I say blegh.

[Will]

To the above posts I say blegh.

To you I say, have a nice weekend :)

[Grindrolas]

its May 2-4 here in Canada, fuck you cartwheeling homos.

[Monroe]

The "extreme" policy was to institute the Federal Reserve and the IRS in the first place (which is patently unconstitutional). His views seem extreme because we (by we I mean Republicans and Democrats) have gotten used to doing whatever the hell we want. We print money with no regard for inflation. We go to war without declaring it. We basically made the President Of the United States a dictator. We wiretap our citizens without warrents, we jail our citizens without habeus corpus. That is extreme. We need extreme the other way. Abolishing the Fed wasn't my idea (lol). There has been a grassroots effort to do away with it for about as long as it has been in effect. I know you are comfortable with foreigners holding control over your economy but most of the country isn't. Heck, most of the country isn't even aware that the Federal Reserve is a collection of PRIVATE banks! Most assume "The Fed" is the federal government. Pretty cool how they named a foreign entity so that most would get that mixed up. I am in the Lending industry and it took me a long time to wrap my brain around that. Imagine how the average person out there feels, or would feel, if they found out the truth. That's what we have a chance for with Ron Paul. Real change. No more bullshit. No more globalist agenda.

America..........fuck yeah!!!!

Wasn't trying to twist your words, just going off what you said....so who would you vote for at this point?

We already had a huge thread about fed where i debunked all of the stuff you have said, I am not going through that topic again.

I would vote for McCain/Guiliani, or i would possbly vote for mccain/paul just because I think mccain would control paul when he would go off on the deepend about some of his stuff, and as a vise president, he wouldnt have enough power to start stupid shit, but he would prolly keep preseident hoonest.

Guiliani is certanly pretty compitent, but I dont like a fair amount of his policies, and he is too much concerned about how he looks on tv. Plus he is certanly more electable than paul, and one of the lesser evils in GOP right now.

[Will]

We already had a huge thread about fed where i debunked all of the stuff you have said, I am not going through that topic again.

I would vote for McCain/Guiliani, or i would possbly vote for mccain/paul just because I think mccain would control paul when he would go off on the deepend about some of his stuff, and as a vise president, he wouldnt have enough power to start stupid shit, but he would prolly keep preseident hoonest.

Guiliani is certanly pretty compitent, but I dont like a fair amount of his policies, and he is too much concerned about how he looks on tv. Plus he is certanly more electable than paul, and one of the lesser evils in GOP right now.

LoL you didn't debunk anything dude. You didn't even want to admit the Fed was a collection of private banks although you couldn't seem to refute that immutable truth.

I would have voted for McCain in the past as he was a warrior and he did not advocate the use of torture. However, he has proven himself to be bought and paid for. Guiliani is a complete joke to me. His claim to fame is cleaning up NYC (ok, I'll give him this), and "lead" during the 9/11 attacks. His decisions led to many illnesses and deaths as a result of his zeal to get the city back up and running. Not to mention the fact that he looks more like a Soprano then a politician :p

Ron Paul looks so strange to you (and to me even) because he is the one dissenting vote every time the gang on Capitol Hill almost universally vote to hook up the corporations. Whenever you see a vote thats like 233-1, guess who the one is....

It takes a lot of balls to go against the grain the way he does (not against the American people, but against the corporate elite who have our senate, house, and executive in their pockets). He is a man of principle (that used to mean something in this country, now it is scoffed at).

Something else, this whole he can't be elected bs, that is a tactic the MSM uses to get you to disregard a candidate who doesn't come pre-approved. Don't fall for it.

Also, remember that the vice president can be a very powerful figure within an administration, maybe even more powerful then the president (see Dick Cheney).

[Grog]

will, you could just msn monroe. noone else is going to contribute

[Perant]

great topic. i'm tired of the usual anti-american propoganda from the UK fanboys, and i'm tired of the political conspiracy bullshit from will, but when both forces go head to head in a clash of ideals, i'm thoroughly entertained.

[Talorth]

how can you be a fanboy of a country?


how do you kill that which has no life?


why is everything i ask a question?

[mono]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=720_1179383603

[WiGgLr]

He posted my User Profile after he changed my sig to one of support for Hillary Clinton (bleh). At first I thought it was funny but then I was like, damn, that's his only come back?

I may be overestimating the internet but I am not overestimating Ron Paul's message or his politics. Further, I am not overestimating the American people's desire for a president just like him.

You're overestimating how much people from outside the US know about US politics, at least the people from the other continents. This thread is the first time I have heard of Ron Paul and I keep myself pretty up to date with current affairs. Outside of the US he's currently a nobody. This isn't a stab at his politics, just how it is right now. He'd have to almost win or win an election for the rest of the world to pay any attention to him, just like Al Gore is known for almost winning but ending up losing.

[WiGgLr]

great topic. i'm tired of the usual anti-american propoganda from the UK fanboys, and i'm tired of the political conspiracy bullshit from will, but when both forces go head to head in a clash of ideals, i'm thoroughly entertained.

This happened?

I missed it, all I see is Monroe and Will discuss American politics very quickly after the topic was derailed from Will posting stories from a middle class tabloid.

[WiGgLr]

Comment: Sorry for outwitting you to the point of prompting you to engage in your admitted abuse....I'll try to avoid it in the future, trouble is, it's so damn easy.

Comment: Sorry for not giving a fuck about your viewpoint on American politics and therefore not deeming any of your posts on that subject worthy of expending any effort in a reply. When I changed your picture to Hillary Clinton I picked her because that is the only candidate that I can remember someone mentioning on this very forum, my decision to do this was entirely random. I just read your posts again and I still fail to see anything that should actually require a comeback from me.

[Talorth]

lmao.

[Perant]

This happened?

I missed it, all I see is Monroe and Will discuss American politics very quickly after the topic was derailed from Will posting stories from a middle class tabloid.

to be honest, i made the post after reading the first twelve posts, without realizing it went on for three pages and turned into a "rupaul's gonna be a great president" topic. but i still posted it.

[Will]

You're overestimating how much people from outside the US know about US politics, at least the people from the other continents. This thread is the first time I have heard of Ron Paul and I keep myself pretty up to date with current affairs. Outside of the US he's currently a nobody. This isn't a stab at his politics, just how it is right now. He'd have to almost win or win an election for the rest of the world to pay any attention to him, just like Al Gore is known for almost winning but ending up losing.

It wasn't meant to be a Ron Paul thread, it was a bash the UK thread (in a jovial way). Sometimes, I am guilty of tunnel vision though, and it is now clear to me I derailed my own thread. I apologize :(

Al Gore didn't almost win, he won the popular vote. George Bush was appointed president in 2000. A very sad day in American history.

Also, you guys should pay attention to our politics, because you guys are gonna follow us wherever our imperialistic urges take us.

[Will]

This happened?

I missed it, all I see is Monroe and Will discuss American politics very quickly after the topic was derailed from Will posting stories from a middle class tabloid.

So, you dispute the source of the stories, eh, don't think they actually happened....a conspiracy of mine eh?

[Grog]

So, you dispute the source of the stories, eh, don't think they actually happened....a conspiracy of mine eh?

he was talking about this:
great topic. i'm tired of the usual anti-american propoganda from the UK fanboys, and i'm tired of the political conspiracy bullshit from will, but when both forces go head to head in a clash of ideals, i'm thoroughly entertained.

[Zelandra]

If I'm ever in the UK, I'm so throwing a cream-bun, or what ever sexual reference you "blokes" use for your pasteries, on Grog, Wigglr and Zebedee. Hilarity will ensue, as I will be arrested and put in an UK jail, which in my eyes is like a comedy act 'cause then I get to listen to the Brittish kids talk all day.....funny accents, funny.

[Grog]

woot free pastry for me

[Zelandra]

woot free pastry for me

I imagine all police officers there run around with their little night sticks like Mr Chaplin (spelling?) does with a cane in his movies.

Actually, I'm claiming that as fact, seeing as how people from the UK love to make up facts about the US. I'll just make up my own shit about the UK :D

[Grog]

that's what's fun

[Zelandra]

that's what's fun

To be completely honest, I don't mind it. I find it entertaining to see what people think happens in the US. It's like when people thought the streets were paved with gold :D

[Grog]

i never said you did mind o_O
now where's my fucking pastry?

[Zelandra]

i never said you did mind o_O
now where's my fucking pastry?

WELL, DEAR BLOKE, DOES IT LOOK LIKE I'M IN THE UK?

[Grog]

yes

[WiGgLr]

I think Zelndara should make up his mind on whether he's a swede or a yank

[Zelandra]

I think Zelndara should make up his mind on whether he's a swede or a yank

In what way have I ever, ever, ever, said anything that takes away from my heritage as a Swede? In fact, I think that I've clearly stated that if there is a war between the US and Sweden, I'll fight for Sweden any day (FÖR KUNG OCH FOSTERLAND!).

Just because I'm not on your precious band-wagon of hating the US and making up facts, does that mean I'm not Swedish?

In all honesty, the last thing you should try to insult is the pride I have for my 100% Swedish genes, as well as the country I was born in.

[Infamous]

Im a firm beliver in my heritage > your heritage.
I hail from the lands of Greece and Italy.
:>

[Zelandra]

Im a firm beliver in my heritage > your heritage.
I hail from the lands of Greece and Italy.
:>


Pffft.

[damme]

Viking heritage > all.

[Tengil]

Signed Dammie.

[Monroe]

vikings are faggots

[Grog]

he knows these things!