XBOX crashes PS3 France launch.

[LordChowder]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/only-in-france/xbox-crashes-french-ps3-launch-246475.php


fucking hilarious...

[Zelandra]

One of these days Sony has to come out and say "oh wow, since we're retarded we got completely crushed by a system that was released a full year before ours."

I mean, everyone in Sony world-wide must be crying at this point.

[mono]

http://www.playfuls.com/news_06689_PS3s_French_Debut_A_Total_Disaster_95_o f_Consoles_Left_Unsold.html

[Talorth]

One of these days Sony has to come out and say "oh wow, since we're retarded we got completely crushed by a system that was released a full year before ours."

I mean, everyone in Sony world-wide must be crying at this point.

PS3 actually isn't doing that bad, as far as sales are concerned. Yes they are significantly behind the 360, but I have a feeling that will change in due time.

Do you want to know what the most successful console was this past christmas? The ps2.

I myself admit that the 360 is the winner as far as games are concerned. But declaring a winner this early would be foolhardy.

I do however find it hillarious that the French are doing something right.....

[LordChowder]

Close to 22hrs the journalists receive an SMS from the French Xbox marketing team: “the Xbox team wishes you a good evening” ("la Xbox team vous souhaite une bonne soirée"). Soon after that a small military boat flanked with “Xbox loves you” messages appears, carrying a group of Microsoft (http://www.playfuls.com/scitech/#) employees who defy “the enemy”. The world around them laughs but not the Sony employees.

[Talorth]

Only in france... could that happen lmao.

[Zelandra]

PS3 actually isn't doing that bad, as far as sales are concerned. Yes they are significantly behind the 360, but I have a feeling that will change in due time.

Do you want to know what the most successful console was this past christmas? The ps2.

I myself admit that the 360 is the winner as far as games are concerned. But declaring a winner this early would be foolhardy.

I do however find it hillarious that the French are doing something right.....

The PS3 is selling yes, but if you compare it to the PS1, or even the PS2 sales, it's a fraction of what it used to be.

There's no way you can justify to me that sony is doing well when it comes to consoles.

[Talorth]

Neither is microsoft...

If we are referring to bottom line anyways, both companies are doing poorly.

[Zelandra]

Neither is microsoft...

If we are referring to bottom line anyways, both companies are doing poorly.

Besides the part where Microsoft is taking every game that will actually be worth buying, and putting them on the 360.

I mean, they must be doing so poorly when they literally take several of the exclusives for previous consoles that weren't theirs and release them on their console.

[Talorth]

Besides the part where Microsoft is taking every game that will actually be worth buying, and putting them on the 360.

I mean, they must be doing so poorly when they literally take several of the exclusives for previous consoles that weren't theirs and release them on their console.
For me personally, every worthwhile game is on the PC or the Wii... but that's just me. (360 games are a little overrated thus far.)

If I remember correctly, neither sony nor microsoft makes any money on the console itself. This stratedgy isn't going to work unless they expect the MASSIVE amount of sales like the ps2 gathered. I see the 360 at the end of its cycle selling 22 million units and the ps3 selling 17million. (Stupid to draw to conclusions, but it seems like people aren't that interested anymore; personally I think its because of the HD push.)
Microsoft buys and buys and buys, but their 'investment' is sound. (The streaming HD content in the future; which I believe was microsoft's plan all along.). Not to mention the fact that Live will end up making them alot of money if it pans out.

Success is measured by the gaming experience in the end I agree... but it doesn't make sense from a business standpoint from either microsoft or sony to be losing money on their consoles.

[devy]

the PS3 in france cost more than in US, it's like 599.90 euros or something like that. It's so stupid to make that cost so much just for the high tech =/. At that night (France launch), 100 PS3 got sold (prolly because sony said they give HD to the first 100 :'D)

[LordChowder]

For me personally, every worthwhile game is on the PC or the Wii... but that's just me. (360 games are a little overrated thus far.)

If I remember correctly, neither sony nor microsoft makes any money on the console itself. This stratedgy isn't going to work unless they expect the MASSIVE amount of sales like the ps2 gathered. I see the 360 at the end of its cycle selling 22 million units and the ps3 selling 17million. (Stupid to draw to conclusions, but it seems like people aren't that interested anymore; personally I think its because of the HD push.)
Microsoft buys and buys and buys, but their 'investment' is sound. (The streaming HD content in the future; which I believe was microsoft's plan all along.). Not to mention the fact that Live will end up making them alot of money if it pans out.

Success is measured by the gaming experience in the end I agree... but it doesn't make sense from a business standpoint from either microsoft or sony to be losing money on their consoles.

youre underestimating how much money MS and sony makes for each game licensed. sony loses about 300 dollars per every ps3 sold, and ms loses alot less but still a good chunk. MS makes money on XBL, via their XBL downloads, via licensed games, and im sure it wont be hard to make a profit. the larger the install base of the console, the more games will come to that system. and the more money they will make in licensing.

[BLACK]

Gears wasn't on the shitty Wii, nor was it overrated. Resident evil 5? 360. Halo 3 (overrated but still sells well)? 360. GTA4? 360.

[Alrus]

Gears wasn't on the shitty Wii, nor was it overrated. Resident evil 5? 360. Halo 3 (overrated but still sells well)? 360. GTA4? 360.

Yeah that's not exactly the kind of game you'll see on the Wii, but who cares? The wii has its good point and the 360 is an awesome system. The PS3 just sucks.

[Zelandra]

Yeah that's not exactly the kind of game you'll see on the Wii, but who cares? The wii has its good point and the 360 is an awesome system. The PS3 just sucks.

Anyone that cares about good and decent games cares ;/

[Craysh]

Yeah that's not exactly the kind of game you'll see on the Wii, but who cares? The wii has its good point and the 360 is an awesome system. The PS3 just sucks.

The only people I've ever met that say that, are people who don't own the system.
I own all three. I'm in love with the PS3 because of all the stuff I can do on it. Namely the Linux kernel and the modchip-less import games.

[LordChowder]

why would someone buy a 600 dollar system they dont like?

[Alrus]

The only people I've ever met that say that, are people who don't own the system.
I own all three. I'm in love with the PS3 because of all the stuff I can do on it. Namely the Linux kernel and the modchip-less import games.

Well actually I buy a console for the games on it, and when almost all the good exclusivity of the PS3 are going to the 360, why pay 600 euros (yeah it's more expensive in europe, a lot more...) when I can play the same game on the 360 which is way cheaper?

[Alrus]

Anyone that cares about good and decent games cares ;/

Don't buy a Wii then =)

[Zelandra]

Don't buy a Wii then =)

Too late :<

It's fun when you're high, doesn't make the games good :/

[Talorth]

I'm afraid the same logic applies for things microsoft branded.

You are like the opposite of an apple fanboy, I didn't even know that was possible...

[Zelandra]

I'm afraid the same logic applies for things microsoft branded.

You are like the opposite of an apple fanboy, I didn't even know that was possible...

I'm sorry, is that English?

[Alrus]

Too late :<

It's fun when you're high, doesn't make the games good :/

I think somes games are fun actually, maybe it won't give you some adrenaline rush like the 360 does while playing GoW or Lost Planet but it's still ok. Maybe it'll get better in one year, it took some time before the 360 had really good games.

[Zelandra]

I think somes games are fun actually, maybe it won't give you some adrenaline rush like the 360 does while playing GoW or Lost Planet but it's still ok. Maybe it'll get better in one year, it took some time before the 360 had really good games.

Any good games that will come out in the future will come out on the 360 as well as the platform they were designed for :>

[Talorth]

I'm sorry, is that English?

Yes, can you read it?

[Zelandra]

Yes, can you read it?

It just doesn't make any fucking sense, so no, I can't read it. You should tell your parents to teach your proper English during one of your home schooling sessions ;D

[Talorth]

It just doesn't make any fucking sense, so no, I can't read it. You should tell your parents to teach your proper English during one of your home schooling sessions ;D

Maybe it's not my parent's responsibility, as I am self taught. You being the opposite of an apple fanboy makes perfect sense. If you can't see that then you are blind; or perhaps just pretending to be.

There is nothing wrong with the 360, but it doesn't deserve to be put on a pedestal. Same goes for alot of things that Microsoft does create. I'm not going to be like CinnamonToast and think it sucks for an inane reason, however I do see flaws in things.

[CharlieM]

Consoles have limited time left, or so quite a few market anaylsts are forecasting.
The exclusivity of console-only games is ruining the publishers bottom line when stuff gets released on console only, or pc only, and so the cross-platform ports are made to cover the larger demographic and inflate the bottom line.

End result, everyone who loves consoles will play the console.
Everyone else, will be playing it on PC, and that market alone is much larger than the console only market.
So its the exclusivity (or rather, move away from it) that will kill consoles in the long run, as PC's will dramatically take over the market share.

PC games are in a lull right now, but they have been getting stronger ever since the first cross-platform port.

And whats more, the gaming market in the world is tiny compared to the potential.
India and China, they hold like 1/3 the worlds population. They have barely began to get into gaming, and its going to hit in the next 5-10 years. When it does, it will be a huge huge thing to the gaming world, it will be worth an assload more than it is now.

[Zelandra]

There is nothing wrong with the 360, but it doesn't deserve to be put on a pedestal.

It deserves so much more.

[LordChowder]

uh the problem with comparing pc gaming to console gaming is that alot of people say theyre pc gamers when they arent. playing mahjong or poker or slots and shit doesnt make you a pc gamer. and oddly enough the shitty games like these are the ones that sell millions of copies and are the ones pushing pc gaming. these games dont work on consoles because consoles are more of a "OK im gunna play a game and pwn some nubs" experience, where people that play these games are like "god, im so sick of this fucking report.. hey maybe ill play some poker!" theyll play it an hour and thats that. as far as comparing the big titles between consoles and pc, its clear that all the big titles that used to be pc exclusives like half life and all these other big named games are moving towards consoles. while console gamers as a whole arent as large as pc gamers as a whole, the game publishers realize that the people who DO play consoles games are their target audience, much more so than the majority of pc gamers. what does this mean? not only will console gaming continue to thrive, its only a matter of time before every single big pc title makes its way to consoles (basically already happened now). i think the big deal now that people arent considering much is the games like shadowrun and huxley that are pushing to merge the pc gamers with the console gamers. this not only provides the publishers with an easier more uniform way to manage their game, but gives both pc gamers and console gamers a larger user base to play their game with.

[Talorth]

yet chowder, ive heard that with every console!

How about they are just two platforms, one can't overtake the other.... It's easy enough with XNA to have both anyways.

[LordChowder]

i dont think pc gaming is going to take a hit per say, i just think of it as another way for gamers to get their fix. it offers an entirely different experience than a console game so i dont really view consoles and pcs as direct competition. obviously games are trying to bridge the gap a bit, but even huxley and shadowrun are drastically different on consoles compared to pc. theyre just different. so i think there will always be a market for both. xbox is taking it a few steps further with their online service. xbox live is going to be on pc, and the xbox live service for 360 is being linked with msn messenger next month or so. all in all i think MS sees the benefits of providing a strong online service that incorporates PC gamers with console gamers, instead of isolating both. this is why i think as time goes on, MS will gain more and more support as more gamers pick up on online games. theres 6 million xbox live users, and like 11 million 360s out there. as well as lots of regular xboxs. so theres still alot of room for them to push the online games, and while online games are crazy popular now, the casual gamer seems to not be interested. if the nintendo were actually serious about an online service for the wii i think it could lure alot of people to play online games who would otherwise not interested in the concept.

[CharlieM]

Well the whole cross-platform thing is going to really favor the x-box with the reinvention of the DirectX API.
It essentially forces computer hardware manufacturers to fall within a strict guideline of making their shit, so that when it comes to a programmer making an engine from the ground up, he wont have to make several different versions of it, or include several hundred different libraries just to access different hardware to do the same fucking thing on multiple platforms.

With DirectX10, a game maker could make a game purely for directx10, and port it to xbox in a matter of a month or two, at the most. Its as simple as changing some OS handlers, and addressable memory, and voilla, you can do all the testing on one system because all the code will be the same, as its the exact same hardware (and xbox360's OS is fucking close to windows' kernel as is), so the cost and time to port a game from pc to xbox, or vice vers is just an assload less with directx10.

Its for that reason alone that I beleive xbox will win the console war, sony cant hold onto exclusivity on their paultry 3-4 mega hit games for too long, and the easier it is to reach both the console and pc platform (windows / xbox duo) for developers, the more inclined they will be to only develop for that single system.

[Grindrolas]

Well the whole cross-platform thing is going to really favor the x-box with the reinvention of the DirectX API.
It essentially forces computer hardware manufacturers to fall within a strict guideline of making their shit, so that when it comes to a programmer making an engine from the ground up, he wont have to make several different versions of it, or include several hundred different libraries just to access different hardware to do the same fucking thing on multiple platforms.

With DirectX10, a game maker could make a game purely for directx10, and port it to xbox in a matter of a month or two, at the most. Its as simple as changing some OS handlers, and addressable memory, and voilla, you can do all the testing on one system because all the code will be the same, as its the exact same hardware (and xbox360's OS is fucking close to windows' kernel as is), so the cost and time to port a game from pc to xbox, or vice vers is just an assload less with directx10.

Its for that reason alone that I beleive xbox will win the console war, sony cant hold onto exclusivity on their paultry 3-4 mega hit games for too long, and the easier it is to reach both the console and pc platform (windows / xbox duo) for developers, the more inclined they will be to only develop for that single system.
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