A Humble Apology

[Will]

On behalf of the American people, specifically those who do not believe in torture, I offer you my humblest apologies for our treatment of your citizen. Australia has always been a good friend to the United States and for us to treat your citizens this way, to me, is appalling. I am sorry.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/19/news/hicks3.php

[Grog]

i forgive you

[Archaos]

CONSPIRACY !

[Will]

CONSPIRACY !

Well, at least you are predictable...

[WiGgLr]

like we all believe that other guy who was tortured really masterminded 911

[Archaos]

He did. It was all a ploy by Iceland to start a third world war.

[Will]

He did. It was all a ploy by Iceland to start a third world war.

Humor is good.

[WiGgLr]

Humour is good.

fixed ^^

[Will]

like we all believe that other guy who was tortured really masterminded 911

KSM (Khalid Sheikh Muhammed) also confessed to plotting an attack on a bank that wasn't built until years after he was at GITMO....ROFLS everything "from A-Z" (cause we all know that Jihadis speak just like Americans).

[Archaos]

No one knows what the hell you are talking about.

...ever.

[Will]

No one knows what the hell you are talking about.

...ever.

LOL, that response was for Wiglr (ask him if he knows what I am talking about).

[WiGgLr]

I did bring the subject up :)

It's not hard to follow current events

[Will]

I did bring the subject up :)

It's not hard to follow current events

How dare you give me a segwey to discuss my wild conspiracy theories :p

[Archaos]

Ok.

I never know what the hell you are talking about.

...ever.

[Zelaton]

Ok.

I never know what the hell you are talking about.

...ever.

How bout,

No one cares what hes talking about.

...ever.

We come here to have fun and chat. Will, you bring the negative things that we hear about on a daily basis in the paper, on the news, radio etc. Not all of us are amused by such things and would like to debate about it HERE. Go find a politcal forum and debate there or something imo. :/

[Jadien]

Oo

[Jadien]

How bout,

No one cares what hes talking about.

...ever.



qft and rolled by sessy zel :D

Now GTFO will

[Will]

How bout,

No one cares what hes talking about.

...ever.

We come here to have fun and chat. Will, you bring the negative things that we hear about on a daily basis in the paper, on the news, radio etc. Not all of us are amused by such things and would like to debate about it HERE. Go find a politcal forum and debate there or something imo. :/

Then don't read it.

Comment: It wasn't to you anyway Zel, it was to the people of Australia. You are entitled to your opinions, however, and in direct contravention to them, you DO NOT speak for everyone on these boards. Thank you. CYA in game :P

[Grog]

dont be hatin

[Will]

qft and rolled by sessy zel :D

Now GTFO will

LOL, are you a fan boi or fangirl?

[Archaos]

Share the love <3

[Articula]

How bout,

No one cares what hes talking about.

...ever.

We come here to have fun and chat. Will, you bring the negative things that we hear about on a daily basis in the paper, on the news, radio etc. Not all of us are amused by such things and would like to debate about it HERE. Go find a politcal forum and debate there or something imo. :/

I'm sure it hurts to know something about the world we live in. Its an open forum, let him express what he wants too. Its your choice whether to read it or not. Personally, I enjoy his reads even if I disagree with his "strong" stance on some issues.

[Archaos]

politics are gay.

<3

[Zelaton]

I'm sure it hurts to know something about the world we live in. Its an open forum, let him express what he wants too. Its your choice whether to read it or not. Personally, I enjoy his reads even if I disagree with his "strong" stance on some issues.
Did either of you read what I wrote at all? Lemme repharse a little: We hear about these such topics he wants to "discuss" here, in the paper, news, radio, etc. I didn't say 'I don't care about these topics' and want to ignore them completely. Most people just don't care to discuss them on a board like this, where no one takes anything serious and posts are for fun. You got 1 semi-serious response and others just fucking around...c'mon its obvious no one cares. :/ Imo, discuss it on a political forum if you want serious responses to debate about. ;) Not to mention, not many people have been posting lately...prolly not going to get much of a response to anything. :(

[Zengetsu]

Did either of you read what I wrote at all? Lemme repharse a little: We hear about these such topics he wants to "discuss" here, in the paper, news, radio, etc. I didn't say 'I don't care about these topics' and want to ignore them completely. Most people just don't care to discuss them on a board like this, where no one takes anything serious and posts are for fun. You got 1 semi-serious response and others just fucking around...c'mon its obvious no one cares. :/ Imo, discuss it on a political forum if you want serious responses to debate about. ;) Not to mention, not many people have been posting lately...prolly not going to get much of a response to anything. :(

Oh please... 90% of the forum is a circle jerk of people that knows each other from L2 and when 10% of the people who post here that someone doesn't like does something everyone jumps on them... god forbid a active poster on here makes a thread called "Post your favorite ass" everyone enjoys it but when someone else does a random thing people tell him to gtfo.....

[Zelaton]

Oh please... 90% of the forum is a circle jerk of people that knows each other from L2 and when 10% of the people who post here that someone doesn't like does something everyone jumps on them... god forbid a active poster on here makes a thread called "Post your favorite ass" everyone enjoys it but when someone else does a random thing people tell him to gtfo.....

Didn't say to "gtfo" just said no one really wants to discuss that sorta thing here. Was I wrong? I don't see people responding to the topic, just people being drama queens!!!! :P lol. Wanna back someone, then respond to the topic at hand and not how someone else is wrong about their opinion over the topic being posted. ;)

[Zengetsu]

Didn't say to "gtfo" just said no one really wants to discuss that sorta thing here. Was I wrong? I don't see people responding to the topic, just people being drama queens!!!! :P lol. Wanna back someone, then respond to the topic at hand and not how someone else is wrong about their opinion over the topic being posted. ;)

Was just giving my 2 cents on how topics like this are handled depending on the OP... don't get all up on me.... unless you want to : O

[Grindrolas]

Already told Will this isn't the place. I'm with Zel. I go to specific forums to read threads like this, I come here to get away from the depressing shit. Maybe we should start a poll asking people if they enjoy these threads...

[ACB]

u got me depressed :(

[Koto]

If I was mod, politics = banhammer.
No, but really, lol. I don't care, and I don't really have 2 cents because I don't have enough time to read or post here much.

Also, about me being mod: never again, never again...

[ACB]

ur avatar is hypnotizing

[Koto]

ur avatar is hypnotizing
Yeah, I get that a lot. ^^

What about my blah avatar?
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/member.php?u=182

[Will]

Didn't say to &quot;gtfo&quot; just said no one really wants to discuss that sorta thing here. Was I wrong? I don't see people responding to the topic, just people being drama queens!!!! :P lol. Wanna back someone, then respond to the topic at hand and not how someone else is wrong about their opinion over the topic being posted. ;)

Zel, I hear exactly what you are saying. I stipulate that some, even many may not like the topics I post about. There are many topics that are posted on this forum that I don't like. You know what I do when I see one.....I ignore it. Everyone has the right to post whatever they want on a open forum. If a mod tells me my topics are not "Mondratedworthy" then I will not post them. However, I'm not going to listen to the likes of you or Grindrolas or anyone else (not of the mod status) that attempts to moderate my posts. It isn't your job, and furthermore, it is presumptuous in the extreme for you to assume that you speak for everyone (especially when this thread shows you don't). Now, as to why I choose to post this stuff here....I can see how on the surface it may seem a little ridiculous to post these topics in a gaming forum (OT as it may be). I disagree with that and instead say this is actually the very best place to post this stuff....why? Because if I can get one person from this demographic to actually care about what is going on in OUR world (because I realize most people here really don't), then I have succeeded. You might be surprised at the amount of pms I've gotten thanking me for posting these topics (having the guts to post them actually). If you are an American then I can assume you are not about censorship (1st amendment and all that). Therefore, I would ask you, and anyone else who has a problem with these topics to ignore my threads. Please. Allow me and the other few people who actually care about current events (or those who might be curious) to discuss them in peace. In return, I promise not to criticize your threads, or jump on them and spam how stupid and inappropriate I think they are. Deal? Also, this topic wasn't even something I wanted to have, what I refer to as, a guided discussion on. This was me genuinely feeling bad about the treatment of an Australian citizen by our govt. I know there are Brits and Aussies who post here and it really was for their benefit. There really isn't anything more to discuss.

[Grindrolas]

it is presumptuous in the extreme for you to assume that people from this demographic don't care about what is going on in OUR world...Lots of us do, just because we don't want to have to read about it here, doesn't mean we don't care. We get enough of it everywhere else. Do you understand that? We are BOMBARDED with shit like this everywhere else. Some of us like to come here to escape it, and to just have fun. If you insist on posting it, maybe Wigglr should make a forum for serious shit so the lot of us who DON'T want to read it, don't even have to know it exists. Like I've said before, there are plenty of places where people WANT to discuss this.

Anyways, thats my two cents on the matter, carry on...

[Digita1]

I don't understand why it's so hard for you to understand that people on this forum don't care for the type of political posts you make.

Agreed, this is an open forum, to an extent. The "open-ness" goes as far as to say that we post ridiculous things, like our asses. Everyone has stated it so far in this thread that these forums are an escape from the political bullshit that we see everywhere else.

When I get tired of watching CNN and MSNBC, and hearing all the political drivel they talk about all day, which is pretty much ALL they talk about now, I come here to relax and have a good laugh. I don't want to come here and see yet ANOTHER political fiasco. I go to specific forums that are MEANT for that sort of thing. These forums are MEANT for us to post pictures of our asses, naked women and Archaos to be emo. That's the purpose of these forums. It isn't the whole "Just ignore it" thing, it's the fact that it's there, staring us in the face, and it's sad to know that people like you exist and to know we can never escape something so trivial.

[Will]

it is presumptuous in the extreme for you to assume that people from this demographic don't care about what is going on in OUR world...Lots of us do, just because we don't want to have to read about it here, doesn't mean we don't care. We get enough of it everywhere else. Do you understand that? We are BOMBARDED with shit like this everywhere else. Some of us like to come here to escape it, and to just have fun. If you insist on posting it, maybe Wigglr should make a forum for serious shit so the lot of us who DON'T want to read it, don't even have to know it exists. Like I've said before, there are plenty of places where people WANT to discuss this.

Anyways, thats my two cents on the matter, carry on...

With the amount of people who have chimed in with "I don't care", regarding some of my threads, I felt safe in making the claim that MOST people here don't care about these topics.

If you actually took the time to read what I post (instead of blindly criticizing it) you would note that the sources and topics I post about are not in the mainstream media (for the most part). Ergo (latin for therefore), you are not being bombarded by it unless you are actively seeking to bombard yourself with it. What you are being bombarded by is Brittany Spears's shaved head and Anna Nicole Smith's postmortem paternity hearings. I know because I watch the mainstream media just as much as I research alternate sources of information. Also, I'm not sure why you are trying to make yourself out as conscientious, whenever I post a topic you are one of the first to jump in and say "NO ONE CARES". Aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here? Maybe you should stop telling other people what to do and how to live their lives (that's an American attitude...aren't you from Canada?).

I mean seriously, what is so hard about ignoring a thread when you don't like the topic?

[Will]

I don't understand why it's so hard for you to understand that people on this forum don't care for the type of political posts you make.

Agreed, this is an open forum, to an extent. The "open-ness" goes as far as to say that we post ridiculous things, like our asses. Everyone has stated it so far in this thread that these forums are an escape from the political bullshit that we see everywhere else.

When I get tired of watching CNN and MSNBC, and hearing all the political drivel they talk about all day, which is pretty much ALL they talk about now, I come here to relax and have a good laugh. I don't want to come here and see yet ANOTHER political fiasco. I go to specific forums that are MEANT for that sort of thing. These forums are MEANT for us to post pictures of our asses, naked women and Archaos to be emo. That's the purpose of these forums. It isn't the whole "Just ignore it" thing, it's the fact that it's there, staring us in the face, and it's sad to know that people like you exist and to know we can never escape something so trivial.

Everyone likes to do different things. I like to provoke discussions on issues that I believe should be near and dear to every American (and everyone else for that matter). We all live in the same world don't we? Its a shame that all you watch is CNN and MSNBC...I hope you don't think you are well informed because of that. At risk of sounding like a broken record I say again, if you don't like my threads, don't read them. There is no "extent" that I am aware of in regards to the allowable topics on this forum. If you guys can post pics of each others asses, then I can (until otherwise instructed by a moderator) post threads about world events and anything else I decide. I really don't see the problem.

[Grindrolas]

This message is hidden because Will is on your ignore list (http://www.themondrated.com/profile.php?do=editlist).
I read your post and realized you're on your way to being a stubborn old man, so I've decided to ignore you and be the bigger man, because its quite obvious you don't want to listen to anyone else, but the sound of your own voice (or in this case the sound of your finger tips touching your keys).

I am in no way trying to tell you, or anyone else how to live their lives. I'm telling you theres a place for these kinds of things, and an off-topic forum isn't it. Off-topic forums, for the most part, are for retardedness to happen. Not seriousness.

Don't bother responding, I'm done explaining to your stubborn ass why this isn't the place.

[Archaos]

Just let him post what he wants guys. Sometimes it is entertaining.

I don't care as long as it keeps this forum alive, lately it has been kind of dead.

[Grindrolas]

Just let him post what he wants guys. Sometimes it is entertaining.

I don't care as long as it keeps this forum alive, lately it has been kind of dead.
Thats cause I've been far too busy to spam it like usual. I've got a game due in two days.

[Digita1]

Will, all I can say is, you sound exactly like our President. Be proud of that or don't, it's true.

So, to continue on like the "mindless drone" I am, I'm going to ignore you George W. Bush lol


This message is hidden because Will is on your ignore list (http://www.themondrated.com/profile.php?do=editlist).

[Archaos]

Thats cause I've been far too busy to spam it like usual. I've got a game due in two days.

Let me play it :>

Better yet, make me a character in the game and include my pink shorts.

[Digita1]

lol Make it the final boss.


"How do you defeat that, which has no life?"

[Will]

I personally love it when I am accused of being stubborn when all I ever wanted was to hear other people's opinions on the topics I discuss. I will always be stubborn, and basically say fuck off (in the nicest possible way) when people who have absolutely no right whatsoever try to censor me. I welcome other people's opinions and expertise in the hope that they can refine my knowledge base. Believe it or not, I have had some great discussions with people on these forums. I hope to have many more.

[Archaos]

With paragraphs like that you do nothing but make people like me look bad


:<

[Will]

Also, if everyone who hates my threads would be so kind as to follow the wonderful examples of Digita and Grindrolas, that would be great. Feel free to block me. This way, you will never again be bothered and you won't have a reason to enter my threads.

Now, if you still enter my threads even after you have blocked me, then you are a fanboi and a tool and you should probably try to figure out why.


I promise not to block you and will also welcome you to the discussion anytime you wish to stop pretending the world is perfect. However, I understand how traumatic it is to actually find out what is going on in the world so block away.

I've got nothing but love for you all.

[Archaos]

you're like mother theresa.

[Will]

you're like mother theresa.

I love my fellow man (and woman)...I know, crazy right....

[ACB]

:|

[Grog]

will wins just for getting this to 3 pages xD

[ACB]

no me

[Articula]

I don't understand why it's so hard for you to understand that people on this forum don't care for the type of political posts you make.

Agreed, this is an open forum, to an extent. The "open-ness" goes as far as to say that we post ridiculous things, like our asses. Everyone has stated it so far in this thread that these forums are an escape from the political bullshit that we see everywhere else.

When I get tired of watching CNN and MSNBC, and hearing all the political drivel they talk about all day, which is pretty much ALL they talk about now, I come here to relax and have a good laugh. I don't want to come here and see yet ANOTHER political fiasco. I go to specific forums that are MEANT for that sort of thing. These forums are MEANT for us to post pictures of our asses, naked women and Archaos to be emo. That's the purpose of these forums. It isn't the whole "Just ignore it" thing, it's the fact that it's there, staring us in the face, and it's sad to know that people like you exist and to know we can never escape something so trivial.

So in a short sentence. You guys are trying to censor a forum that prides itself on being uncensored. Cute

[WiGgLr]

So in a short sentence. You guys are trying to censor a forum that prides itself on being uncensored. Cute

That's a good way of putting it.


My idea of off topic is "anything goes"

I see no reason why politics can't be part of that, but if people really want a different section for political threads, then I'll make it

[Grindrolas]

That's a good way of putting it.


My idea of off topic is "anything goes"

I see no reason why politics can't be part of that, but if people really want a different section for political threads, then I'll make it
I dunno, while I agree anything goes, theres a few topics that will end up getting people really heated, and, as I've already stated, this forum isn't exactly the epitome of seriousness.

If people really do want to have serious discussions on it, I'll shut up about it, but how many serious responses are in any of Will's threads? Most of the time it deteriorates (partly because of yours truly) to a "Will, you're a dumb fucking faggot" thread.

[Archaos]

Just let Will post it, you don't have to read it.

[Grindrolas]

Are you suggesting I actually control the troll inside of me?

[Tengil]

I wish I was racist. :(

[Grog]

it sure would make things simpler :/

[exiledone]

can we stop talking about the government? if you want to argue about politics dont do it on a fucking forum like this, go play in traffic or something because this shit makes me want to sleep.

[Pseudonymous]

On behalf of the American people, specifically those who do not believe in torture, I offer you my humblest apologies for our treatment of your citizen. Australia has always been a good friend to the United States and for us to treat your citizens this way, to me, is appalling. I am sorry.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/19/news/hicks3.php
Sorry isn't good enough

[Will]

Sorry isn't good enough

You are right, it isn't.

[Zengetsu]

So in a short sentence. You guys are trying to censor a forum that prides itself on being uncensored. Cute

I love how everyone tells people if they don't like a topic then just ignore it but then they pull the most hypocritical shit ever lol... and I agree with Articula x10

[CharlieM]

Blame lies on more than just the US's shoulders.
John Howard has the ability to get him home with a phone call to his best bud, and he refuses to do it. A great many in aus beleive he will play that card in the upcoming election, bring him home and parade him around as a party triumph.

Makes me fucking ill that assholes like howard and bush can fuck with peoples lives like this, regardless if Hicks is a terrorist or not, thats depravity of basic human rights.

Isnt that shit like, internationally ilegal ??

If I was hicks, spending 5 years in prison, being tortured and held without trial or charges, Id probably try and kill the guards, regardless if I was innocent or not to begin with. That system is completley fucked up beyond all recognition.

Bush should be impeached.

[Damarus]

How bout,

No one cares what hes talking about.

...ever.

We come here to have fun and chat. Will, you bring the negative things that we hear about on a daily basis in the paper, on the news, radio etc. Not all of us are amused by such things and would like to debate about it HERE. Go find a politcal forum and debate there or something imo. :/I for one am glad to here that not all americans are assholes and just enjoy keeping an Aussie imprissoned without charge for years and years and years :)

Although I don't fully dissagree, Hicks did train with terrorists, even if he didnt commit any acts of terror... But it would've been nicer to actually charge him and not just use loopholes/power or w/e to keep him for years until an attempt could be made to put a decent case against him.

EDIT: Just read charlie's last post //agreeface.

[Damascus]

Wow, you guys managed to get a serious response from Australians. gg guys gg

[Koto]

So in a short sentence. You guys are trying to censor a forum that prides itself on being uncensored. Cute
Personally, I don't want anything censored/banned/removed/etc, but it's nice that people can say "Shut the fuck up, no one cares" if no one cares. I just don't agree with being forced to shut up by moderators, etc.. :P

[Will]

Blame lies on more than just the US's shoulders.
John Howard has the ability to get him home with a phone call to his best bud, and he refuses to do it. A great many in aus beleive he will play that card in the upcoming election, bring him home and parade him around as a party triumph.

Makes me fucking ill that assholes like howard and bush can fuck with peoples lives like this, regardless if Hicks is a terrorist or not, thats depravity of basic human rights.

Isnt that shit like, internationally ilegal ??

If I was hicks, spending 5 years in prison, being tortured and held without trial or charges, Id probably try and kill the guards, regardless if I was innocent or not to begin with. That system is completley fucked up beyond all recognition.

Bush should be impeached.

Yeah, torture is illegal internationally. Unfortunately, this administration has used 9/11 to render those treaties quaint.

[Will]

I for one am glad to here that not all americans are assholes and just enjoy keeping an Aussie imprissoned without charge for years and years and years :)

Although I don't fully dissagree, Hicks did train with terrorists, even if he didnt commit any acts of terror... But it would've been nicer to actually charge him and not just use loopholes/power or w/e to keep him for years until an attempt could be made to put a decent case against him.

EDIT: Just read charlie's last post //agreeface.

Indefinite detention without charges or access to a lawyer. Inability to even know what you have been charged with (that quaint little habeas corpus thing). The new American way :(